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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 09:56 PM
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I have a base '10 coupe and it just seems kind of floaty over any little dip in the road. Doesn't really feel buttoned down like I think it should. I don't track it and the roads around here aren't the smoothest so i don't really want to change to Z51 swaybars (yet). So would I be better off with the Bilstein Sports or HD shocks? Are the HDs really any stiffer than stock and are the Sports too stiff for some rapid cruising the backroads? Eshocks has them both for the same price, so any suggestions?
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I have an 08 vert and added Z51 bars with Bilstein Sports and my car does not wallow over dips anymore. The vert is a bit stiffer on city streets but still rides great. On the hwy it is like a different car, handles great
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 10:13 PM
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The HD's are the recommended shock for the base suspension, Sports for Z51 but.......that doesn't mean you can't do the other kind on each as some here have. Seems everyone is happy whichever way they go. Here's a recent thread:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...-z51-sway.html
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 10:32 PM
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I put the sports on my base 08' and it was perfect.
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I wonder why Bilstein recommends the HD's for a base car and Sports for the Z51 option? Maybe they know something we don't.




Bilstein HD's and Z51 sways on my 08 base coupe. Noticeable improvement in handling and feel with no loss of ride quality.


Your results may vary.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bosco 08
I wonder why Bilstein recommends the HD's for a base car and Sports for the Z51 option? Maybe they know something we don't.




Bilstein HD's and Z51 sways on my 08 base coupe. Noticeable improvement in handling and feel with no loss of ride quality.


Your results may vary.
Stiffer shock for the stiffer spring.
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Originally Posted by sallen619
Stiffer shock for the stiffer spring.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sallen619
Stiffer shock for the stiffer spring.
Not really, the base rear spring is actually stiffer than the Z51. It's the front that's a little softer.

Why make two different shocks? Depends on your driving style. If you drive your car like a sedate sedan, maybe the HD will do fine a stock replacement. If you drive it like it should be driven, the Sports are better.
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Originally Posted by WV Vette
I have a base '10 coupe and it just seems kind of floaty over any little dip in the road. Doesn't really feel buttoned down like I think it should. I don't track it and the roads around here aren't the smoothest so i don't really want to change to Z51 swaybars (yet). So would I be better off with the Bilstein Sports or HD shocks? Are the HDs really any stiffer than stock and are the Sports too stiff for some rapid cruising the backroads? Eshocks has them both for the same price, so any suggestions?
Z51 bars will help correct your floaty problem, shocks not so much. The bars will only be noticably harsher when both wheels go over a bump at the same time. Heavier shocks like Bilsteins will ride harder all the time.
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Z51 bars will only be noticably harsher when both wheels go over a bump at the same time.
HUH? In this instance the bars have zero torsion in them and are just rotating about the bushings at the same rate on each side. It's the irregular roads that you may notice a stiffer bar.

FWIW, I just upgraded my Z51 sways and shocks to Pfadt JOC sways and Pfadt Sport adjustable shocks. The weather has been crappy here (just got 6" of snow yesterday) so I can't comment on the differences.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 01:56 PM
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I have the base suspension so I went with the HDs.

The new shocks have made a noticeable improvement in handling and ride.
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JRHAWK9
HUH? In this instance the bars have zero torsion in them and are just rotating about the bushings at the same rate on each side. It's the irregular roads that you may notice a stiffer bar.

FWIW, I just upgraded my Z51 sways and shocks to Pfadt JOC sways and Pfadt Sport adjustable shocks. The weather has been crappy here (just got 6" of snow yesterday) so I can't comment on the differences.
Any interest in selling off the Z51 Sways and shocks?

How many miles approximate on the shocks?

Good luck with your new setup, should be sweet!

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by sallen619
Stiffer shock for the stiffer spring.
Originally Posted by AirBusPilot
Not really, the base rear spring is actually stiffer than the Z51. It's the front that's a little softer.

Why make two different shocks? Depends on your driving style. If you drive your car like a sedate sedan, maybe the HD will do fine a stock replacement. If you drive it like it should be driven, the Sports are better.
I'm going to cast my vote for AirBusPilot (even though I'm a Boeing man). My thinking is that a stiffer spring will move less when you hit a bump, so it doesn't need a stiff shock to keep it from flopping back and forth. If the car had ultra-stiff springs that would move only 1/8" for a big bump, then it could probably get by with no shocks at all.

Well, that's my theory. Waiting for the suspension engineers to join in here...
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Originally Posted by AirBusPilot
Why make two different shocks? Depends on your driving style. If you drive your car like a sedate sedan, maybe the HD will do fine a stock replacement. If you drive it like it should be driven, the Sports are better.
Using that logic then Bilstein is wrong and should be asking how you will be driving your car instead of what suspension your car has.
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Originally Posted by bosco 08
Using that logic then Bilstein is wrong and should be asking how you will be driving your car instead of what suspension your car has.
That's the reality, like it or not. And I'm not just guessing, I had a base 08' and the first mod I did was install the Sports. It made the car feel like a BMW Sport package.

Kind of makes you wonder why some vendors offer revalved Bilsteins. If Bilstein was so "right", why would they do that? Maybe because of driving style?

Does Pfdat have the same valving as Bilstein? Of course not. Is the Bilsten HD a stiffer shock than stock?

There are many factors, not just one, that goes into determing valving. How you plan on driving your car is one factor.

This isn't a life or death decision. Get what you want and any version is better than stock.

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I have the base with the HD shocks. I changed the shocks because I like to drag race and had experienced some wheel hop. The HDs work, I have not had any wheel hop since I installed the set.

With regard to ride, yes they are firmer and the car does take turns a bit better. If Bilstein recomends using the sports with the Z51 suspension and the HD's with the base I would imagine that they have done so with the idea of properly loading the tires
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Originally Posted by Tommy D
If Bilstein recomends using the sports with the Z51 suspension and the HD's with the base I would imagine that they have done so with the idea of properly loading the tires

Thank you, that's pretty much what i was trying to say.
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