Halltech Super Bee MF103 for the LS3 is here! Installed pics and video
06-02-2011, 03:12 AM
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06-02-2011, 06:59 AM
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06-02-2011, 07:14 AM
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Jim
This filter is an oiled filter correct? Do you also have a non oiled filter option? Just curious. When will you start shipping? Thanks.
This filter is an oiled filter correct? Do you also have a non oiled filter option? Just curious. When will you start shipping? Thanks.
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06-02-2011, 10:00 AM
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The Vararam in my LS2 was amazing, gains and increased throttle response. Worked perfectly with FAST, and then with L92 heads/L76 intake, 228/232 cam, headers, etc.
On my 2008 LS3, a different story...Im not going to get into design, construction, etc...not looking to bash it, but these are the facts that I have been dealing with:
2008 Coupe with just headers and Vararam and we cannot get the off idle, or steady state low rpm cruise to be smooth. There is a stumble, surging at around 1400-1600 rpm and if you try to slightly accelerate the car hesitates before coming back. At moderate to WOT everything is fine. We did a MAF calibration, tried different MAFs, tried rescaling the MAF tables, adding the Honeycomb diffuser that Halltech used previously...NOTHING fixes it EXCEPT removing the Vararam and going back to the stock intake. If you search, you can see that this problem affects almost all of the aftermarket intakes on certain LS3s and LS7s...it plagued the Honker - they came up with a diffuser plate - Halltech had the honeycomb filter, etc - so I am not saying Vararam is the ONLY one, but in my case, on my car, I have the similar experience of the surging and turbulence issue reported my many, and Im willing to try the products to see if they work as stated...until I find one, the stock intake simply works better for my engine....your results may vary of course.
My thoughts? The Vararam filter or design for the LS3...maybe even the fact that I am running a front plate partially blocking the intake is just causing too much turbulence around the MAF......I have worked with all my buddies and picked everyone's brain (Chuck CoW, SpinMonster, Joe_G etc) and the only fix has been removing the Vararam. I sent a message off to Vararam but havent heard back from them yet, but at this point, Im willing to try the Halltech as I feel the design and install requirements will work in MY case, and the quality, look, and fitment is more appealing to me. Of course it is still a $500 gamble, well more like $1000, because if I eat the cost of the Vararam and the Halltech is not any better, Im back to stock and at least I can offer some diagnostic information or logging to others that may be more inclined to chase the issue if they are having it as well.
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06-03-2011, 04:34 PM
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If you have an LS3, can I ask...do you run a front plate??
The Vararam in my LS2 was amazing, gains and increased throttle response. Worked perfectly with FAST, and then with L92 heads/L76 intake, 228/232 cam, headers, etc.
On my 2008 LS3, a different story...Im not going to get into design, construction, etc...not looking to bash it, but these are the facts that I have been dealing with:
2008 Coupe with just headers and Vararam and we cannot get the off idle, or steady state low rpm cruise to be smooth. There is a stumble, surging at around 1400-1600 rpm and if you try to slightly accelerate the car hesitates before coming back. At moderate to WOT everything is fine. We did a MAF calibration, tried different MAFs, tried rescaling the MAF tables, adding the Honeycomb diffuser that Halltech used previously...NOTHING fixes it EXCEPT removing the Vararam and going back to the stock intake. If you search, you can see that this problem affects almost all of the aftermarket intakes on certain LS3s and LS7s...it plagued the Honker - they came up with a diffuser plate - Halltech had the honeycomb filter, etc - so I am not saying Vararam is the ONLY one, but in my case, on my car, I have the similar experience of the surging and turbulence issue reported my many, and Vararam is doing nothing to address it - others are and Im willing to try the products to see if they work as stated...until I find one, the stock intake simply works better for my engine....your results may vary of course.
My thoughts? The Vararam filter or design for the LS3...maybe even the fact that I am running a front plate partially blocking the intake is just causing too much turbulence around the MAF...and I have the logs to prove it...I have worked with all my buddies and picked everyone's brain (Chuck CoW, SpinMonster, Joe_G etc) and the only fix has been removing the Vararam. I sent a message off to Vararam but havent heard back from them yet, but at this point, Im willing to try the Halltech as I feel the design and install requirements will work in MY case, and the quality, look, and fitment is more appealing to me. Of course it is still a $500 gamble, well more like $1000, because if I eat the cost of the Vararam and the Halltech is not any better, Im back to stock and at least I can offer some diagnostic information or logging to others that may be more inclined to chase the issue if they are having it as well.
The Vararam in my LS2 was amazing, gains and increased throttle response. Worked perfectly with FAST, and then with L92 heads/L76 intake, 228/232 cam, headers, etc.
On my 2008 LS3, a different story...Im not going to get into design, construction, etc...not looking to bash it, but these are the facts that I have been dealing with:
2008 Coupe with just headers and Vararam and we cannot get the off idle, or steady state low rpm cruise to be smooth. There is a stumble, surging at around 1400-1600 rpm and if you try to slightly accelerate the car hesitates before coming back. At moderate to WOT everything is fine. We did a MAF calibration, tried different MAFs, tried rescaling the MAF tables, adding the Honeycomb diffuser that Halltech used previously...NOTHING fixes it EXCEPT removing the Vararam and going back to the stock intake. If you search, you can see that this problem affects almost all of the aftermarket intakes on certain LS3s and LS7s...it plagued the Honker - they came up with a diffuser plate - Halltech had the honeycomb filter, etc - so I am not saying Vararam is the ONLY one, but in my case, on my car, I have the similar experience of the surging and turbulence issue reported my many, and Vararam is doing nothing to address it - others are and Im willing to try the products to see if they work as stated...until I find one, the stock intake simply works better for my engine....your results may vary of course.
My thoughts? The Vararam filter or design for the LS3...maybe even the fact that I am running a front plate partially blocking the intake is just causing too much turbulence around the MAF...and I have the logs to prove it...I have worked with all my buddies and picked everyone's brain (Chuck CoW, SpinMonster, Joe_G etc) and the only fix has been removing the Vararam. I sent a message off to Vararam but havent heard back from them yet, but at this point, Im willing to try the Halltech as I feel the design and install requirements will work in MY case, and the quality, look, and fitment is more appealing to me. Of course it is still a $500 gamble, well more like $1000, because if I eat the cost of the Vararam and the Halltech is not any better, Im back to stock and at least I can offer some diagnostic information or logging to others that may be more inclined to chase the issue if they are having it as well.
Did you see Jason Harding's statement above regarding the Stage 3 GM cam with 40 degrees overlap? The Super Bee has been Katech's choice for a couple of years now on all of their street and track builds. Our intake is the standard bearer on their engine dyno cells for all of the max power runs. That should say something when they have tested most every intake made.
You are not going to be a guinea pig, since this intake has been sold now since 2009, with only a few going to LS3s. I have stayed away from the LS3 market thinking that most owners would not want to tune their car. Now we have a Super Bee that requires ZERO TUNING.
KATECH'S STATEMENT REGARDING SURGING WITH OUR INTAKE, OH, AND IT HELPED SET THEIR ALL TIME RECORD FOR NA
06-03-2011, 04:43 PM
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We actually had K&N test the dry filter from AEM, who they now own, vs. their filter, vs. our previous S&B media. Their media had 15 to 25% better flow. Our filter has twice the surface area of stock and the VR for much lower resistance to flow.
Interestingly, they have their own intake for the Z06, but our old Killer Bee II cleaned their clock two years ago with 15/14 vs. their 13/10. The Super Bee uses the same filter as the KB2 but has many other attributes discussed above that make it the only choice for the LS3.
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06-03-2011, 04:57 PM
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We designed the filter originally in 2006, and then redesigned it with even more filter media. K&N got our contract and has been incredible for our company, meeting our growing needs. They are using the same media that they use on all of their filters, which is an oiled cotton gauze. It is fully cleanable for life.
We actually had K&N test the dry filter from AEM, who they now own, vs. their filter, vs. our previous S&B media. Their media had 15 to 25% better flow. Our filter has twice the surface area of stock and the VR for much lower resistance to flow.
Interestingly, they have their own intake for the Z06, but our old Killer Bee II cleaned their clock two years ago with 15/14 vs. their 13/10. The Super Bee uses the same filter as the KB2 but has many other attributes discussed above that make it the only choice for the LS3.
We actually had K&N test the dry filter from AEM, who they now own, vs. their filter, vs. our previous S&B media. Their media had 15 to 25% better flow. Our filter has twice the surface area of stock and the VR for much lower resistance to flow.
Interestingly, they have their own intake for the Z06, but our old Killer Bee II cleaned their clock two years ago with 15/14 vs. their 13/10. The Super Bee uses the same filter as the KB2 but has many other attributes discussed above that make it the only choice for the LS3.
06-03-2011, 05:10 PM
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One shipped Wednesday. Our customer has a broken knee cap and cannot drive. He has a friend helping him get it installed this weekend.
Our mold is running today. We pick up 24 more on Monday, with 13 backorders to fill. All should ship by Tuesday latest.
Jim
Our mold is running today. We pick up 24 more on Monday, with 13 backorders to fill. All should ship by Tuesday latest.
Jim
06-03-2011, 05:17 PM
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"Jim this was a modded Z with a cam, heads and headers. The customer added a FAST 102 and a NW 102, we ended up with 560+ at the tires. The CF112 replaced the old Killer bee that I had installed a couple years ago. We gained a considerable amount under the curve with the combination."
06-03-2011, 06:55 PM
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Jim - I have 08 LS3 w/ Killer Bee I & Hive w/ VMax & no tune. Runs GREAT!!!
Would there be any benefit to upgrading to this most recent design? Would the only difference be the tube or would the filter need changing as well due to a larger inlet?
Thx
Would there be any benefit to upgrading to this most recent design? Would the only difference be the tube or would the filter need changing as well due to a larger inlet?
Thx
06-03-2011, 07:37 PM
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Updated Installation Video
This installation video assumes you have taken off your stock induction system and moved the MAF sensor from the stock intake to the Halltech Super Bee MF103.
We will have another video next week showing how that is done, but if you can remove two screws and move the MAF meter, then put them into the Super Bee....you get the point.
We will have another video next week showing how that is done, but if you can remove two screws and move the MAF meter, then put them into the Super Bee....you get the point.
06-05-2011, 10:12 PM
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When your LS3 is at idle to around 1/3 throttle position, you are in closed loop, where the MAF reported airflow is corrected continuously by the O2 sensors to keep the air fuel ratio at 14.7:1 (stoichiometric for E0). Unfortunately for us, GM keeps the pure gasoline stoich instead of correcting it to 14:1, which is the chemically correct burn stoich for E10.
Anyway, this first video shown here has a Dashhawk monitoring the real time LTFT averages (top) starting with a virgin stock 2010 C6 LS3 that came into our garage. The LTFTs start out ok, but are all over the place trying to keep the stochiometric value. Swings from +4% to -9% which is really unusual for an LS3, but the idle remains pretty steady.
In order to throw a lean code, one bank or both would have to have 25% unreported airflow, which would show up at +25%, and happen twice before the lean codes pop. That can ONLY happen if you actually have a vacuum leak behind the MAF or extreme turbulence from airflow that buffets during closed throttle.
The first 2 minutes or so is stock, then we edit out the Killer Bee II and go for the Super Bee MF103 LTFTs. BETTER THAN STOCK BY FAR. CHANCE OF A CODE. ZERO.
Since we did test the Killer Bee II made for the Z06 in the middle of the video,we wanted to show the results here as well. It was edited out since the whole purpose of the video was to promote the all Halltech Super Bee MF103 in plastic, now available.
The Killer Bee II LTFT Averages-stock LS3:
Anyway, this first video shown here has a Dashhawk monitoring the real time LTFT averages (top) starting with a virgin stock 2010 C6 LS3 that came into our garage. The LTFTs start out ok, but are all over the place trying to keep the stochiometric value. Swings from +4% to -9% which is really unusual for an LS3, but the idle remains pretty steady.
In order to throw a lean code, one bank or both would have to have 25% unreported airflow, which would show up at +25%, and happen twice before the lean codes pop. That can ONLY happen if you actually have a vacuum leak behind the MAF or extreme turbulence from airflow that buffets during closed throttle.
The first 2 minutes or so is stock, then we edit out the Killer Bee II and go for the Super Bee MF103 LTFTs. BETTER THAN STOCK BY FAR. CHANCE OF A CODE. ZERO.
Since we did test the Killer Bee II made for the Z06 in the middle of the video,we wanted to show the results here as well. It was edited out since the whole purpose of the video was to promote the all Halltech Super Bee MF103 in plastic, now available.
The Killer Bee II LTFT Averages-stock LS3:
06-05-2011, 11:36 PM
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So how much is the intake going for?
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