View Poll Results: Should I go with a supercharger or build it up?
Supercharger
39
60.94%
Build-it-up
25
39.06%
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From: Cornelius NC
No mention of twin turbo's?
Just throw in the APS kit and be done with it. No belt changes, pulley changes/retunes to increase power.
Whatever your choice for F/I, keep in mind you WILL have additional costs associated with F/I upgrades if you drive the vehicle consistently.
Increased power/tq, heat etc will eventually lead to some components failing and needing to be replaced. Many times this leads to upgrading the inferior component, cough...oem..cough.
Hopefully you have some mechanical skills to provide repairs or savings acct for labor costs? Most dealers refuse to work on a FI car (nor would I want/trust most to) so kiss the power train warranty goodbye and be sure you live in the vicinity of an experienced mechanic. Last year I had a mechanic at the Chevy dealer spot my booster pump and refuse to trace a simple electrical problem claiming I installed an after-market voltage regulator???
Anyone that claims a blower or tt set-up is trouble/failure free either doesn't own one or doesn’t drive it often. The tq is awesome but not cheap. Hang out in the F/I section for while and read-up. Lost of good info.
Drop in a 427 and then add FI later. You’ll then have your LS3 motor as a back-up.
Just throw in the APS kit and be done with it. No belt changes, pulley changes/retunes to increase power.
Whatever your choice for F/I, keep in mind you WILL have additional costs associated with F/I upgrades if you drive the vehicle consistently.
Increased power/tq, heat etc will eventually lead to some components failing and needing to be replaced. Many times this leads to upgrading the inferior component, cough...oem..cough.
Hopefully you have some mechanical skills to provide repairs or savings acct for labor costs? Most dealers refuse to work on a FI car (nor would I want/trust most to) so kiss the power train warranty goodbye and be sure you live in the vicinity of an experienced mechanic. Last year I had a mechanic at the Chevy dealer spot my booster pump and refuse to trace a simple electrical problem claiming I installed an after-market voltage regulator???
Anyone that claims a blower or tt set-up is trouble/failure free either doesn't own one or doesn’t drive it often. The tq is awesome but not cheap. Hang out in the F/I section for while and read-up. Lost of good info.Drop in a 427 and then add FI later. You’ll then have your LS3 motor as a back-up.
You bring up some good points on the TT or 427. Two ideas that I've really not considered. How do the costs of those compare to the e-force setup ($10,200 in my case). I've heard TT is an expensive way to go and I've never even considered a 427. What would a full swap like that set me back? Thanks for the info. I guess the FI section has just been hiding from me. I've never seen it! Thanks!
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From: Cornelius NC
21st century in Dallas Tx area is Lingenfelters son in law I think.
E-Force 599 hp installed $8450.00 had to call them twice and make sure they weren't hi. lol
http://21stcenturymusclecars.com/c6-packages.aspx
E-Force 599 hp installed $8450.00 had to call them twice and make sure they weren't hi. lol
http://21stcenturymusclecars.com/c6-packages.aspx
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From: Cornelius NC
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Honestly a supercharger will cause more pedal mashing because of addiction to the power which in time will cause premature wear. Bolts on and nitrous will give you satisfaction in my opinion. Nitrous is only there when you turn on the switch where as the supercharger is always a load to the engine whether it is building boost or not. In comparison a 600rwhp supercharged corvette will get beat by a 570rwhp nitrous corvette just because of torque difference. I have used nitrous in a lot of my cars. My vote is headers, CAI, nitrous and a professional dyno tune. You ever spray a car once and you will be hooked at the hit it provides. Just my 2 cents
Maybe I'm wrong, but from my experience with friends and others I've known, nitrous is an accident waiting to happen. I've seen so many failures with nitrous, that's they're almost too many to count. Granted, my experiences have been limited to mainly ricers and not the LS engines, but because of that, I've not even considered it. Can you convince me that nitrous is a safe alternative? I'm definitely willing to listen. Im here to learn and I take all posts into consideration. Can you give me some HP/TQ numbers?
Thanks!
John
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From: Jasper, GA
St. Jude Donor '10
Buy Vengeance's forged 405 long block stroker they have up for sale - $8999, it was just built by Proline and is forged through and through. Sell your engine after the removal. Pocket the money or throw an A&A S/C on it if you don't feel enough power after your break-in. You are still in for around $11K and have a forged bottom end with a screamer, either route you go. Options, and more options.
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Hey Tyler,
Maybe I'm wrong, but from my experience with friends and others I've known, nitrous is an accident waiting to happen. I've seen so many failures with nitrous, that's they're almost too many to count. Granted, my experiences have been limited to mainly ricers and not the LS engines, but because of that, I've not even considered it. Can you convince me that nitrous is a safe alternative? I'm definitely willing to listen. Im here to learn and I take all posts into consideration. Can you give me some HP/TQ numbers?
Thanks!
John
Maybe I'm wrong, but from my experience with friends and others I've known, nitrous is an accident waiting to happen. I've seen so many failures with nitrous, that's they're almost too many to count. Granted, my experiences have been limited to mainly ricers and not the LS engines, but because of that, I've not even considered it. Can you convince me that nitrous is a safe alternative? I'm definitely willing to listen. Im here to learn and I take all posts into consideration. Can you give me some HP/TQ numbers?
Thanks!
John
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From: Cornelius NC
Well, the votes are in. With just over 40 total votes, the supercharger comes out on top with 58% of the votes. I believe I am going to go that route because I have confidence my dealer will provide a proper tune. They've done dozens of these installs and also back up their work 100% by providing bumper-to-bumper protection for the remaining factory warranty. My plan is to get this installed in late July so I will be sure to post some dyne numbers when I do.....if I can get out of my car long enough to type up a post!
Thanks to everyone who provided their input.
Thanks to everyone who provided their input.
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From: Mechanicsburg PA
My father is sending his 2010 GS to Lingenfelter in August for an E Force S/C. It only has 600 miles on it. Lingenfelter will often take cars virtually right from the assembly line. His 600hp package was $8995.
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From: Cornelius NC
Thanks,
John
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From: Mechanicsburg PA
Wow! Thanks for the information. Do you know if that price includes the upgraded fuel pump and custom tune? My quote is for $7,800 for the eforce and $2,400 for the install. This is at my dealer, and they warranty all work bumper-to-bumper for the remainder of the factory warranty. However, I know Ligenfelter does awesome work, and am not opposed to sending the car off if I can save that much change!! If you don't mind, let me know.
Thanks,
John
Thanks,
John
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From: Mechanicsburg PA
Sorry, missed your first two questions. He did not pay for any extras. Here is what they have listed for the package on their website:
600 BHP / 547 lbs-ft of torque
Package includes:
- Edelbrock E-Force TVS2300 intercooled supercharger system
- Black powder coated finish
- Lingenfelter CNC engraved logo
- Based on OEM Eaton supercharger unit
- Properly sized fuel injectors
- Lingenfelter 160 thermostat
- Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
- Professional installation, testing & PCM calibration
- Edelbrock 1/12 warranty on supercharger assembly
- Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
- Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
Base package price $8,995.00
600 BHP / 547 lbs-ft of torque
Package includes:
- Edelbrock E-Force TVS2300 intercooled supercharger system
- Black powder coated finish
- Lingenfelter CNC engraved logo
- Based on OEM Eaton supercharger unit
- Properly sized fuel injectors
- Lingenfelter 160 thermostat
- Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
- Professional installation, testing & PCM calibration
- Edelbrock 1/12 warranty on supercharger assembly
- Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
- Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
Base package price $8,995.00
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From: Cornelius NC
Sorry, missed your first two questions. He did not pay for any extras. Here is what they have listed for the package on their website:
600 BHP / 547 lbs-ft of torque
Package includes:
- Edelbrock E-Force TVS2300 intercooled supercharger system
- Black powder coated finish
- Lingenfelter CNC engraved logo
- Based on OEM Eaton supercharger unit
- Properly sized fuel injectors
- Lingenfelter 160 thermostat
- Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
- Professional installation, testing & PCM calibration
- Edelbrock 1/12 warranty on supercharger assembly
- Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
- Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
Base package price $8,995.00
600 BHP / 547 lbs-ft of torque
Package includes:
- Edelbrock E-Force TVS2300 intercooled supercharger system
- Black powder coated finish
- Lingenfelter CNC engraved logo
- Based on OEM Eaton supercharger unit
- Properly sized fuel injectors
- Lingenfelter 160 thermostat
- Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
- Professional installation, testing & PCM calibration
- Edelbrock 1/12 warranty on supercharger assembly
- Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
- Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
Base package price $8,995.00
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From: Portland OR
St. Jude Donor '10-'11-'12
600 bhp is 510 at the wheels. I can build you an engine for the same money and get you more than that and have it be more dependable than stuffing a blower on an engine not built for it and yes it will be very streetable. I'll gauranty our engine is built correct. If you want it installed and tuned we can do that as well. 427 or 416 your choice...
AT that price range you have a lot of options to do it correctly.
AT that price range you have a lot of options to do it correctly.
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From: Somewhere in the Mid 9's TX
If you are OCD, stay away from boost. It is always there, always ready to go and lots of fun. Kind of like the 2 things you might do at a bachelor party. You want more of each of them.