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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 02:04 PM
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Looking at a moderate cam pkg and after parts and labor is near $2k. It will bring me to 455+ at the wheels...
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Looking at a moderate cam pkg and after parts and labor is near $2k. It will bring me to 455+ at the wheels...
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Yup, what are the cam specs?
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Yup, what are the cam specs?
It's Chinese to me but I think he said 224/228 .585 591, 114 or 115 LSA ...? Should see 50-65 rwhp.

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While forced induction is probably the best power/dollar ratio, if you put the heads and cam on yourself, the value looks even better.
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Originally Posted by jpuli28
It's Chinese to me but I think he said 224/228 .585 591, 114 or 115 LSA ...? Should see 50-65 rwhp.
I am not sure you will see 50-65 with only adding that cam. Cam & headers would get you close. I picked up 38 to the wheels with the G5X1 114 cam from LG which is a little bigger at 228/232. When I did the FAST 102 I got to about +65 from my baseline. Headers, cam, and a FAST 102 will get you to your 455 goal on a A6 car. (If the car in your sig is the one you're speaking of)

I would consider a little bigger cam. The 228/232 cam is very mild, makes good power, and is automatic friendly.

I guess the car in your sig isn't the car your wanting the cam on? Looks like you already have a cam, intake, etc????

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I think that'll be a dyno's race at that point. A cam that mild, even with the 102, may get there but not with flying colors through that A6. Header primary size will come into play at that point, as will a few factors. May hit your mark on a DynoJet, but not necessarily on a Mustang.

Shoot for trap speed as a baseline, vice dyno.

Edit: I just saw that it's an LS2 car. I was assuming LS3. That said, not a chance you will see 455 to the tires with a 228 cam through an auto and stock heads. With a UDP, ported Fast 92, 234/240 112 LSA cam, 1 7/8" ARH's, no cats, bullet cans, and an M6 with an aluminum flywheel, my LS2 did 460/426, and that's near the top of what I've heard for similar combos.

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It is the car in my sig, I'm already putting 405 to the wheels with a tune, ported tb and stage 2 manifold, AR headers 1 3/4 with hi flow cats and Corsa Extremes.

Mild? I was told that was moderate...

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You would need to go something a lot bigger to get anywhere near 450 in an A6. That would require a bigger stall converter as well to idle properly. 238/242 cam would get you 430-440. Thats a big cam though.
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Yank 3600 is a good start. As Tim said, you'll need at least that if you want a cam that will get you to 450 through the A6.
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Hmmm, these guys are a Forum vendor and said absolutely I would get to 450. Maybe they thought I had a MN6?
They mentioned a 2400-2800 stall would be DD friendly. Duh, they wouldn't mention a stall if they thought I had a manual lol!

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I don't know how mild 228 is but I listened to one he had outside and you could hear the lope, nothing loud but you could easily hear it.
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Well, whoever they are, they're embellishing.

Auto LS2 + 220's cam (stock heads) =/= 455+ rwhp.
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dollar/ hp= nitrous.


cams sound wicked though.
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Originally Posted by jpuli28
I don't know how mild 228 is but I listened to one he had outside and you could hear the lope, nothing loud but you could easily hear it.
Well, everybody's definition is different, but anything 220's and below is fairly mild, 230's to 240 moderate, 240's up to around 250 fairly large, and beyond would be considered huge. There are off the shelf cams from vendors here that fit all those specs. IIRC, the T-rex is somewhere in the upper 240's I believe, and I don't know of a mass-grind for the LS any larger than that.
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Originally Posted by SlickShoes
Well, whoever they are, they're embellishing.

Auto LS2 + 220's cam (stock heads) =/= 455+ rwhp.
The embellishing I understand but your equation I don't...
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Rephrase:

Auto LS2 (with a) 220's cam (and stock heads) does not equal 455(or more) rwhp.
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Originally Posted by SlickShoes
Well, everybody's definition is different, but anything 220's and below is fairly mild, 230's to 240 moderate, 240's up to around 250 fairly large, and beyond would be considered huge. There are off the shelf cams from vendors here that fit all those specs. IIRC, the T-rex is somewhere in the upper 240's I believe, and I don't know of a mass-grind for the LS any larger than that.
I told them I wanted middle of the road to get me significant sotp feel while still being DD friendly. I just asked about the 228/232 and he's says doable with a significant increase in tq...
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That is better^^
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