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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 07:11 PM
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I have an 08 C6 with B&B fusions on there. the valves aren't opening up I tried to pull the fuse and no go what other than the fuse controls them? what should I look at to get them to open up again? I have the Mild to wild controller. it works I hear it click but the exhaust doesn't change. I'm going to lift it up this weekend and see if I can see anything I just want to know if there is anything I need to look at before I get it up in the air. thanks for the help in advance.
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I have an 08 C6 with B&B fusions on there. the valves aren't opening up I tried to pull the fuse and no go what other than the fuse controls them? what should I look at to get them to open up again? I have the Mild to wild controller. it works I hear it click but the exhaust doesn't change. I'm going to lift it up this weekend and see if I can see anything I just want to know if there is anything I need to look at before I get it up in the air. thanks for the help in advance.
Did they ever work is the first question. If so, check the tubing from the engine bay to the Mild to Wild box and also from the box to the actuators.

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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 10:51 PM
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yes they worked for the first 35,000 miles and the box plugs into the fuse box where the fuse for the exhaust was. but I will check the tubing and see if it's cracked or anything
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Sorry, I have the NPP in a box.

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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 10:58 PM
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oh ok I looked at the wireing I even pulled the fuse to see if that would get them to open no joy. so either the valves are stuck or the tubing is messed up somewhere
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oh ok I looked at the wireing I even pulled the fuse to see if that would get them to open no joy. so either the valves are stuck or the tubing is messed up somewhere
Sorry, my bad. I have the NPP in a box. You should still have vacuum tubing, it just goes directly to the actuators. See if you can manually move the valves easily and then check the tubing.

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ok Thanks man apprciate the info I wasn't sure where the tube hooks up to I think it goes to the back of the motor somewhere.
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ok Thanks man apprciate the info I wasn't sure where the tube hooks up to I think it goes to the back of the motor somewhere.
That's normally correct and is a pain to get to.



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Originally Posted by lockman
I have an 08 C6 with B&B fusions on there. the valves aren't opening up I tried to pull the fuse and no go what other than the fuse controls them? what should I look at to get them to open up again? I have the Mild to wild controller. it works I hear it click but the exhaust doesn't change. I'm going to lift it up this weekend and see if I can see anything I just want to know if there is anything I need to look at before I get it up in the air. thanks for the help in advance.
If the valves AREN'T opening you don't have a vacuum problem. the vacuum CLOSES the valves.

When the car is off the valves should be open, once the engine starts the engine vacuum closes the valves UNLESS you open them with your controller. Something is mechanically wrong with the valves, they may be wedged closed or jammed.

Try pulling the vacuum lines off the valves, if the valves open then somehow the vacuum is holding them closed. If the valves don't open when you pull the vacuum lines then you have a mechanical problem with the valves.
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ok yea they don't sound like they open up when I shut it off like it used to I'll try and mess with them tomorrow morning.
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The car doesn't have to be in the air, just bend over and look at the flaps in the tips.

Car OFF;
Flaps should be open.

Car running @ idle;
Flaps should be closed.
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I had a similar problem on my B&B Fusions and upon performance shop diagnosis, the actuators went bad. I had them replace the actuators (~$100) and voila....fixed. Don't know if that helps but if you can't figure it out it may be something to look into
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well the valves were open I could open and close them by hand. I pulled the fuse and they just stay open now I will put the Mild to Wild back on tomorrow and see if it will open and close them if not more than likely the actuators are bad does anyone know where I can pick up a set at?
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well the valves were open I could open and close them by hand. I pulled the fuse and they just stay open now I will put the Mild to Wild back on tomorrow and see if it will open and close them if not more than likely the actuators are bad does anyone know where I can pick up a set at?
As stated above, the valves are open until the vacuum pressure builds. Pulling the fuse just leaves the valves open. You want them closed (quiet) and then open when the throttle/rpm conditions are met. You still haven't done any real troubleshooting. Do you have a friend that's mechanically savvy? Nothing you've posted so far points to bad actuators.

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Old Apr 15, 2012 | 11:57 PM
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well I'm not going to go into it here but if they are closed all the time even with the fuse out DUH they are suppose to be open with it out.
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well the valves were open I could open and close them by hand. I pulled the fuse and they just stay open now I will put the Mild to Wild back on tomorrow and see if it will open and close them if not more than likely the actuators are bad does anyone know where I can pick up a set at?
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well I'm not going to go into it here but if they are closed all the time even with the fuse out DUH they are suppose to be open with it out.
Which one is it? You're clearly contradicting yourself. DUH.

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Originally Posted by lockman
well I'm not going to go into it here but if they are closed all the time even with the fuse out DUH they are suppose to be open with it out.
Your original post said the valves were closed all the time and that they didn't change when you used your exhaust controller.

Then yesterdays post @ 7:31PM you say you checked and the valves were open regardless of whether you had the fuse in the controller or not.

Which is it?
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Old Apr 16, 2012 | 05:46 PM
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orginally they were closed I manually moved them with the car off sprayed some wd40 on the shaft and it moves freely but. they don't move with the engine with the fuse in. they don't move with the fuse out. So that leads me to the conclusion that the valves are bad or the hose has a hole in it some where. and yes I have mechanical ability I fix jets for a living.
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I would try checking if there is a vacuum at each of the actuators. Install the fuse and start the car. Disconnect the vacuum line from the driver side actuator and put finger at the end of the vacuum line. Is there any suction? repeat on the passenger side. The vacuum line does plug into the rear of the intake plenum. Keep us updated.
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Who installed the Fusions? You'll have to verify every step of the installation.

Vacuum lines run correctly.
Control box installed correctly?
Remote control installed correctly?
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