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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 07:38 AM
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You won't be sorry you chose MGW. Best mod for the money. Go on their website and view the installation video. He discusses in detail the shifter box bushing issues.
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I did a lot of research on this forum and see a lot of people seem to say the MGW shifter is a better, smoother and quieter shifter
Well, for sure it's NOT going to be quieter. Wait until you see how well the stocker is insulated. And you have to rip that up for the MGW. The better statement is it might not be too much noisier. And by simply physics, it's going to require more effort. But please post your review when you install it, and comment on all those aspects . Good luck.
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Not sure what you mean by how well the stocker is insulated ? I have the console apart i see how the tunnel is insulated and the plastic boots which encase the shifter, the new shifter will be encased the same way with the addition of the dynamat material outside the tunnel and inside, i don't see noise as much of an issue with any shifter that gets used, kind of amazing though how loud it is when everything is apart, when i get the new shifter and install it i will update and let everyone know what i think of it
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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 10:41 AM
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Looking forward to your review! If its the same noise level I'm getting one too. I read mostly positive reviews on this mod. Maybe 80-90% thumbs up.
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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 05:37 PM
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Well, for sure it's NOT going to be quieter. Wait until you see how well the stocker is insulated. And you have to rip that up for the MGW. The better statement is it might not be too much noisier. And by simply physics, it's going to require more effort. But please post your review when you install it, and comment on all those aspects . Good luck.
My MGW is as quiet as the stock shifter and any extra effort to shift is miniscule. The shifter is a pleasure to use and much improved over the stocker.
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Old Dec 7, 2012 | 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadkingC6
and the plastic boots which encase the shifter
That's exactly what I'm talking about. The bottom part seals the tunnel perfectly... provided you realize you need to push the area around the shifter DOWN until it locks in place. Then you have the additional rubber on top, also perfectly insulating the shift lever base. With the MGW, you can't use either piece... or would need to cut them, rendering them basically useless. After driving the car with the tunnel open, and hearing the damn racket, any aftermarket shifter HAS to be noisier; the only question is how much. And yes, I insulated every visible part of the tunnel, plus all the way back to the hatch. But that's mostly for heat intrusion, not sound abatement.

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My MGW is as quiet as the stock shifter and any extra effort to shift is miniscule. The shifter is a pleasure to use and much improved over the stocker.
I'd really like to try one of those (even as a passenger) to judge for myself. I'm quite happy with the stocker, so have no idea if the benefits would outweigh the drawbacks in my personal case.
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Old Dec 7, 2012 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ELP_JC
That's exactly what I'm talking about. The bottom part seals the tunnel perfectly... provided you realize you need to push the area around the shifter DOWN until it locks in place. Then you have the additional rubber on top, also perfectly insulating the shift lever base. With the MGW, you can't use either piece... or would need to cut them, rendering them basically useless. After driving the car with the tunnel open, and hearing the damn racket, any aftermarket shifter HAS to be noisier; the only question is how much. And yes, I insulated every visible part of the tunnel, plus all the way back to the hatch. But that's mostly for heat intrusion, not sound abatement.


I'd really like to try one of those (even as a passenger) to judge for myself. I'm quite happy with the stocker, so have no idea if the benefits would outweigh the drawbacks in my personal case.
Actually as I remember you do use both pieces. You have to modify them but when all is said and done the MGW is just as sealed as the stock shifter. Mine is just as quite as stock and considering I never miss a shift with it, it is a pleasure to use.
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Actually as I remember you do use both pieces. You have to modify them but when all is said and done the MGW is just as sealed as the stock shifter. Mine is just as quite as stock and considering I never miss a shift with it, it is a pleasure to use.
MGW instructions have you modify those pieces and they fit fine. My MGW is as sealed as the original was and noise abatement is the same as stock. The MGW is not noisy.
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Originally Posted by SUB VETTE
You won't be sorry you chose MGW. Best mod for the money. Go on their website and view the installation video. He discusses in detail the shifter box bushing issues.
In the middle video they reccommend changing the shifter box , which is basically buying the entire stock shifter from Chevrolet just to get the shifter box with the bushings in the shaft its sold as a one piece unit box ans shifter, Chevy gets $220.00 for that box, I already ordered the mounting bushings from Zip Corvette which i expect will be here on Monday, truthfully i looked at the bushings in the car and they looked fine, but i decided not to play and just replace those anyway, but im not buying a shifter from Chevy unless i see a problem with the box in the car and so far i don't, just curios did you change out the box too, or just changed the mount bushings like im planning on doing.
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Originally Posted by TMyers
Mine is just as quite as stock
Originally Posted by SUB VETTE
My MGW is as sealed as the original was and noise abatement is the same as stock.
Good to know folks. Coming from 2 of you, I take that to the bank .

Now let me ask you these 2 questions:
- Was your #1 reason to switch was missing 3rd? My '12 shifts perfectly fine, but I don't speed shift at all (no tracking, obviously).
- Did you guys relax the detent by adding a washer, like many do? Want to get some more feedback on that. And play with my stock shifter before changing anything. So far, I'm pleased with the stock shifter. The only thing I don't like is the notchiness when cold, but I think that's going to happen with ANY shifter, since it's the tranny, not the shifter. Right? Thanks again folks.
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Sorry if I am missing something here and jumping in toward the end of the discussion, but the 1-4 skip shift occurs within certain RPM and throttle parameters. Has the aftermarket skip shift bypass not been installed on this Vette?
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SUB VETTE
My MGW is as quiet as the stock shifter and any extra effort to shift is miniscule. The shifter is a pleasure to use and much improved over the stocker.
This has been my experience as well
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ELP_JC
Good to know folks. Coming from 2 of you, I take that to the bank .

Now let me ask you these 2 questions:
- Was your #1 reason to switch was missing 3rd? My '12 shifts perfectly fine, but I don't speed shift at all (no tracking, obviously).
I do track. With the MGW I don't ever miss a shift and I found at times with the stock shifter I would. You never miss 3rd as you only have to push the shifter straight up with the palm of your hand and you are in 3rd every time.

Technique, YMMV:

Imagine your hand in a flat plane above the shifter. Shift to 1st, Using the palm of the hand, angle the outside of the hand down about 45deg, apply pressure to the left and you are in first gear. With the hand in the same position and applying the same pressure use the finger to pull back into second, don't grip the shifter. 3rd gear shift, hand flat using the palm push up, you are in 3rd. 4th use you fingers and pull back you are in 4th. 5th and 6th are just like 1st and 2nd except with the inside of the hand down and pressure to the outside. Reverse is the only gear I grab the ****. IMO the is the best shifter I have ever used.

Did you guys relax the detent by adding a washer, like many do? Want to get some more feedback on that. And play with my stock shifter before changing anything. So far, I'm pleased with the stock shifter. The only thing I don't like is the notchiness when cold, but I think that's going to happen with ANY shifter, since it's the tranny, not the shifter. Right? Thanks again folks.
Nope install straight out the box, no mods at all. First gear crunched the day it was new when cold. Even second gear can crunch.
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 12:33 PM
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When I first bought my C6 I missed third all the time on the drag strip. I had such muscle memory from my c5's wider gate that I just couldn't get it done.

I posted up years ago for a shifter recommendation, having driven friends cars with after market shifters, I hated all of them - while the gates and throws were tighter, they were so notchy and hard to shift (a direct result of the reduced leverage from the higher fulcrum) that I really didn't want one.

Ranger alerted me to this link...and I don't miss many shifts any more. In fact the only time I miss a shift is when I spot a 1.4x 60 foot on the scoreboard and it throws off my rhythm!

http://rangeracceleration.com/Improved_Shifting.html

Those drills really work, I recommended them many times with great results.

And I agree with Ranger, the shifter is no place for your thumb Mine never touches the shifter.
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadkingC6
In the middle video they reccommend changing the shifter box , which is basically buying the entire stock shifter from Chevrolet just to get the shifter box with the bushings in the shaft its sold as a one piece unit box ans shifter, Chevy gets $220.00 for that box, I already ordered the mounting bushings from Zip Corvette which i expect will be here on Monday, truthfully i looked at the bushings in the car and they looked fine, but i decided not to play and just replace those anyway, but im not buying a shifter from Chevy unless i see a problem with the box in the car and so far i don't, just curios did you change out the box too, or just changed the mount bushings like im planning on doing.
I changed out the box, buying it from vendor GMPartshouse.com for about $150. My shaft rear bushing was shredding in the original box after about 30Kmiles of use, plus the mount bushings didn't look that great either. The extra expense was worth it to me to give piece of mind and not chance missed shifts or vibrations.
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by WannabeGS
Sorry if I am missing something here and jumping in toward the end of the discussion, but the 1-4 skip shift occurs within certain RPM and throttle parameters. Has the aftermarket skip shift bypass not been installed on this Vette?
I don't know which Vette you are referring to, but if it's mine, I installed a skip shift eliminator when I first bought the car new in 2006.
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Originally Posted by SUB VETTE
I changed out the box, buying it from vendor GMPartshouse.com for about $150. My shaft rear bushing was shredding in the original box after about 30Kmiles of use, plus the mount bushings didn't look that great either. The extra expense was worth it to me to give piece of mind and not chance missed shifts or vibrations.
I finally have the car back together , i took SubVettes advice and bought the new box from GMPartshouse, the old shifter box from what i could tell didn't look bad , but i decided to go with a new one anyway, i installed the shifter and got the car back together, the car shifts great, second gear is no longer an issue goes into second with no problem now, as a lot of people have said it needs a little bit more pressure to shift , but i would agree with one of the cooments i read stating the extra pressure is miniscule, as far as noise goes i have no shifter rattle, or any noise from the shifter whatsoever and overall i like the shifter, but there is one problem, getting the shifter to go into reverse is too hard, when i installed the shifter i had the shifter in nuetral and the tranny in nuetral with the pin locking the nuetral on the old shifter like the directions in the video showed, then i bolted the box in place where the bolts lined up on the tranny and with the rubber bottom mount in the right location on the tranny, again like the MGW video showed so i'm a little at a loss here as to why it's having trouble getting into reverse, when you push the shifter to the furthest right you then have to push it up and sometimes use considerable force to get it to go into reverse,
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Originally Posted by RoadkingC6
I'm a little at a loss here as to why it's having trouble getting into reverse
Did you torque the collar bolt LAST? You need to leave that bolt loose until the very end. Hope that solves your issue. Good luck.
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Did you torque the collar bolt LAST? You need to leave that bolt loose until the very end. Hope that solves your issue. Good luck.
I went back and watched the video again for the shifter box install to verify i followed their instructions, i had the pin on the old shifter pushed in locking the nuetral position on the shifter, then they say to line up the half moon on the shaft and install the bolt and tighten the collar down with the bolt, which i did, then they instruct you to line up the two mount bolts and tighten the shifter to the tube, I called MGW on Friday , but it was after 4:00 so i left a message and i will call again on Monday to see what they say, i don't know if inside the shifter their is a internal adjustment, i guess i have to wait to hear from them on Monday, but right now i'm kind of ticked off i know i will probably have to take the console out again, just curious if anyone else has had problems with reverse with this shifter.
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