C6 Tech/Performance LS2, LS3, LS7, LS9 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Distance to go calculation is always wrong

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 31, 2013 | 03:05 PM
  #21  
PJS51's Avatar
PJS51
Thread Starter
Advanced
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 92
Likes: 7
From: DEL MAR CA
Default

I love the GS, just want everything to work the way it should. Car has been perfect. Crysta Red with black/cashmere interior, chrome wheels, etc. @ $68K new, 4K miles. $30K is a "little" short, but as soon as I can get a C-7, add $15K and we can talk.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2013 | 03:31 PM
  #22  
PJS51's Avatar
PJS51
Thread Starter
Advanced
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 92
Likes: 7
From: DEL MAR CA
Default

The thing is in my GS Range never updates quickly. It basically starts where it was the last time I filled up (roughly) and it will change slowly, often only a mile or two. I can drive 50 miles averaging 20+ MPG and it might move 15 miles.

The calculation is really very simple. First, filling up the car without resetting is going to throw everything off, but I think as you get near empty the sensors can tell and will show a warning.

Otherwise all the computer has to do is calculate MPG, which it can do to within 1/10 MPG of actual, then multiply by the tank capacity and deduct the miles driven. Why a lot of comments talk about 50 miles I don't know. Anybody who looks at average MPG knows the display reacts instantaneously. Fill up, drive 75 for 20 miles on freeway and you should be at @ 24 MPG. Now floor it to get around traffic for 5-10 seconds and I guarantee you will see a big drop, so if the computer can do this it can certainly do the same with the Range indicator.

From the manual: The fuel economy data used to
determine fuel range is an average
of recent driving conditions. As your
driving conditions change, this data
is gradually updated automatically.
If the vehicle has been idling for
a long time, the range displayed
on the DIC could be abnormally
low. The vehicle must be driven
8 to 16 km (5 to 10 miles) to get
an accurate reading
.

5-10 miles to get an accurate reading. Sounds like a pretty fast response to me and it sure isn't what I'm getting, so all of HOXXOH's comments and recommendations don't seem to agree with the owner's manual DIC statements he keeps referring to. Bottom line is the car should display an accurate Range within 10-15 miles regardless of how you were driving previously.
Again from the Owner's manual:
Fuel Range: The range calculates
the remaining distance you can
drive without refueling. It is based
on fuel economy and the fuel
remaining in the tank.
.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2013 | 03:33 PM
  #23  
PJS51's Avatar
PJS51
Thread Starter
Advanced
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 92
Likes: 7
From: DEL MAR CA
Default

Thought I would copy you on my response to another post, since you keep referring me to the DIC section of the Owner's Manual.
The thing is in my GS Range never updates quickly. It basically starts where it was the last time I filled up (roughly) and it will change slowly, often only a mile or two. I can drive 50 miles averaging 20+ MPG and it might move 15 miles.

The calculation is really very simple. First, filling up the car without resetting is going to throw everything off, but I think as you get near empty the sensors can tell and will show a warning.

Otherwise all the computer has to do is calculate MPG, which it can do to within 1/10 MPG of actual, then multiply by the tank capacity and deduct the miles driven. Why a lot of comments talk about 50 miles I don't know. Anybody who looks at average MPG knows the display reacts instantaneously. Fill up, drive 75 for 20 miles on freeway and you should be at @ 24 MPG. Now floor it to get around traffic for 5-10 seconds and I guarantee you will see a big drop, so if the computer can do this it can certainly do the same with the Range indicator.

From the manual: The fuel economy data used to
determine fuel range is an average
of recent driving conditions. As your
driving conditions change, this data
is gradually updated automatically.
If the vehicle has been idling for
a long time, the range displayed
on the DIC could be abnormally
low. The vehicle must be driven
8 to 16 km (5 to 10 miles) to get
an accurate reading
.

5-10 miles to get an accurate reading. Sounds like a pretty fast response to me and it sure isn't what I'm getting, so all of HOXXOH's comments and recommendations don't seem to agree with the owner's manual DIC statements he keeps referring to. Bottom line is the car should display an accurate Range within 10-15 miles regardless of how you were driving previously.
Again from the Owner's manual:
Fuel Range: The range calculates
the remaining distance you can
drive without refueling. It is based
on fuel economy and the fuel
remaining in the tank.
.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2013 | 04:28 PM
  #24  
batpig's Avatar
batpig
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
From: oshawa ontario
Default Gremlins

It`s not a problem just a gremlin in the car. My Cruze ,Equinox,Impala, Blazer all did it. My 06 does it. It eventually evens out. Never ran out of gas, ever. I wouldn`t know how the Camry or Volvo system works as I have never driven one.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2013 | 04:41 PM
  #25  
EVRose's Avatar
EVRose
Race Director
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 14,475
Likes: 785
From: Las Vegas NV
Default

The Camery and Volvo work the way its supposed to work. Fill the tank and the computer calculates distance to empty as soon as you start the car using current mpg readings compared to volume in tank. Previous driving habbits are not involved.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2013 | 04:54 PM
  #26  
cclive's Avatar
cclive
Team Owner
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 21,502
Likes: 461
From: Southern Utah
Default

Originally Posted by EVRose
The Camery and Volvo work the way its supposed to work. Fill the tank and the computer calculates distance to empty as soon as you start the car using current mpg readings compared to volume in tank. Previous driving habbits are not involved.
I don't understand how this can work as you explain...as soon as you start the car, it is sitting still, so it has no info to calculate anything unless it uses previous driving experience. If the car is sitting still and it only uses absolutely current data, then the range when sitting still would always be zero. Some fuel is being used while there is no forward progress...therefore range is zero. Any of these systems must use some past data as a starting point.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2013 | 05:19 PM
  #27  
PJS51's Avatar
PJS51
Thread Starter
Advanced
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 92
Likes: 7
From: DEL MAR CA
Default

I know nothing about Volvo or Camry, but based on my endless Corvette posts on this subject, you are technically right. When you reset the gauges (you can't rest range and the car never resets it to zero), the only thing the computer has is the last setting, so it will use that and if you stay parked with the motor running, then the range would drop, but once you start driving, the computer now starts calculating from that point and will rapidly adjust the range to current conditions giving you accurate average MPG and Range.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2013 | 06:11 PM
  #28  
HOXXOH's Avatar
HOXXOH
Race Director
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,557
Likes: 2,108
From: Peoria/Phoenix AZ
C6 of Year Finalist (performance mods) 2019
Default

Originally Posted by cclive
I don't understand how this can work as you explain...as soon as you start the car, it is sitting still, so it has no info to calculate anything unless it uses previous driving experience. If the car is sitting still and it only uses absolutely current data, then the range when sitting still would always be zero. Some fuel is being used while there is no forward progress...therefore range is zero. Any of these systems must use some past data as a starting point.
These guys think that resetting the average economy readout also resets everything else and they get to start from scratch. If that were true, the range number would fluctuate wildly as they left the gas station and accelerated down the street. It would bounce around until they had driven far enough to establish a reasonable average. They never think about what would happen if they didn't push the reset button. As I typed that, I remembered that I never pushed any resets for the first 25,000 miles, just so I would know what "real" long term averages were according to the car.

Maybe a trip to the dealer, so they could check what a brand new car's range reads when it only has 1.2 miles showing, will open some eyes. That average mpg would be real low since it probably never got out of first gear yet. The DIC would only show "RANGE LOW", because it hasn't gone far enough to establish an average to get a distance over 40 miles.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Aug 31, 2013 | 06:43 PM
  #29  
PJS51's Avatar
PJS51
Thread Starter
Advanced
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 92
Likes: 7
From: DEL MAR CA
Default

If you normally do a full fillup, then the average should reflect mileage over 25,000 miles. Even if you occassionally do partial fill ups, it would still be close. In the Corvette, at least, it reads the amount of gas in the tank as well as calculates mileage, so when you do a partial fill and still drive pretty far, you will in up with pretty accurate numbers.

I would imagine that a brand new car has zero range or range low, and once you start driving it starts calculating. Unless there has been a bulletin on this kind of problem, the service dept won't have an answer. If you want it checked, they will plug in their diagnostic system and most likely it will show there is nothing wrong.
Reply




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:06 PM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 11:09:53


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE