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Old Oct 4, 2014 | 11:05 AM
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I searched but could not find an exact answer. I have a 13 gs and it has the stock, non npp mufflers on it. If I install a set of 2012 dual mode mufflers from a grandsport but do not hook up the dual mode function, will the mufflers be in the closed position or open?
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Old Oct 4, 2014 | 12:15 PM
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Well. most of us pull the fuse to have them remain open, which would seem to indicate that the natural position is open.
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Nice. Thanks for the info.
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Old Oct 4, 2014 | 02:28 PM
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It takes vacuum to open them and electricity to shut them. The valves are electrically powered closed, but by 3500 RPM the Vacuum force exerted on the valves overcomes the electrical actuators and the valves open. If there is no vacuum they will not open. This is why you need to by NPP in a box to have Dual Mode Exhaust on a non RPO Code NPP Corvette.
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It takes vacuum to open them and electricity to shut them. The valves are electrically powered closed, but by 3500 RPM the Vacuum force exerted on the valves overcomes the electrical actuators and the valves open. If there is no vacuum they will not open. This is why you need to by NPP in a box to have Dual Mode Exhaust on a non RPO Code NPP Corvette.
There's just a little problem with that explanation. Under hard acceleration, the engine develops nearly zero vacuum, but generates 30 in hg upon deceleration. I think you got it backwards.
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Old Oct 4, 2014 | 06:56 PM
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Actually, they are spring loaded in the open position by design. In an oem setup, vacuum forces them closed and an electrical signal opens them below 1250rpms and above 3500rpms. They are closed in-between to reduce highway drone under normal driving.

Yes OP, they will be open all the time if you install them without hooking them up.

FWIW! I pulled the fuse the instant I got the car home from the stealership and they've been that way since.
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Old Oct 4, 2014 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jsucraig
It takes vacuum to open them and electricity to shut them. The valves are electrically powered closed, but by 3500 RPM the Vacuum force exerted on the valves overcomes the electrical actuators and the valves open. If there is no vacuum they will not open. This is why you need to by NPP in a box to have Dual Mode Exhaust on a non RPO Code NPP Corvette.
Wrong! At the very least it's backward.

It takes engine vacuum to CLOSE the flaps. The force used is vacuum, the vacuum is switched by electricity.

Easy to check. Look at the flaps with the engine off (no vacuum), they are open.

Look at the flaps with the engine running (vacuum!), they are closed UNLESS you ELECTRICALLY turn off the vaccum.
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Great info everyone. Thanks for the help. Just picked up a set today.
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You are all correct I was in a hurry between projects in the garage. I only came in long enough to do some Forum Research. I happened upon this thread and in my haste to help out I typed exactly the opposite of what i was thinking.

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that was funny.
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Laugh it up Fuzzballs!
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This is why they are open when the car is off... also when you fire it up there is a split second where it roars then quiets down as it closes... So they are OPEN when power is off.

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