which wideband to use for E85?
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which wideband to use for E85?
Im currently looking to use the Innovate ECB-1 which has the following features.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/ecb1.php
This is a result of me wanting a peace of mind filling up at the pump with low ethanol content E-85. I want to know what I'm putting in the tank while also having 4 separate readings on display all at once. Thoughts? Is there a better product out there? Thanks in advance!
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/ecb1.php
This is a result of me wanting a peace of mind filling up at the pump with low ethanol content E-85. I want to know what I'm putting in the tank while also having 4 separate readings on display all at once. Thoughts? Is there a better product out there? Thanks in advance!
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Not sure of the particular product, have used the brand before and needed to wait till it warmed up before wide band reading so you can't tune cold starts.
I use E85 for years without any difference from tank to tank, I do know those that talk and never use it and ran their key board way larger then their tool box.
I use E85 for years without any difference from tank to tank, I do know those that talk and never use it and ran their key board way larger then their tool box.
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Not sure of the particular product, have used the brand before and needed to wait till it warmed up before wide band reading so you can't tune cold starts.
I use E85 for years without any difference from tank to tank, I do know those that talk and never use it and ran their key board way larger then their tool box.
I use E85 for years without any difference from tank to tank, I do know those that talk and never use it and ran their key board way larger then their tool box.
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St. Jude Donor '14, '16
If you're willing to install the flex fuel sensor from that kit, you may as well just get the GM one (it's probably the same honestly) and wire it to the ecu (and have it activated in the tune) so that this isn't a concern at all.
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Cool so I guess you are getting that particular multi meter wide band cause you fear bad e85 can happen and you want to know? well if this is the case I have good news if the suspected fuel is less then 85% ethanol you wide band will detect that and you'll know rite away cause will start running richer with the additional gasoline contents.
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St. Jude Donor '13
Can always add something like this. They make good stuff
http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/ECA/ECA.shtml
http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/ECA/ECA.shtml
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From: Moore OK
Cool so I guess you are getting that particular multi meter wide band cause you fear bad e85 can happen and you want to know? well if this is the case I have good news if the suspected fuel is less then 85% ethanol you wide band will detect that and you'll know rite away cause will start running richer with the additional gasoline contents.
Can always add something like this. They make good stuff
http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/ECA/ECA.shtml
http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/ECA/ECA.shtml
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I'm running a flex fuel senor with it turned on in the tune. So, it automatically adjusts the parameters based upon ethanol content. As for AFR gauge I'm about to buy the AEM30-0333 X-Series OBDII wideband. Lastly, if you are wanting to be super safe, then you can get a fail safe setup like stated previously and you want to be monitoring the AFR of each engine bank.
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Dash logic mainly is the only thing I can think of
For HPTuners that model comes with a plug that plugs into the OBD port and feeds wideband info to HPT that way. Very fast way of doing it.
I believe EFI Live added support for that method also
For HPTuners that model comes with a plug that plugs into the OBD port and feeds wideband info to HPT that way. Very fast way of doing it.
I believe EFI Live added support for that method also
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Got it, thanks! That's why I was looking at getting the X-series that connects to the OBDII like you mentioned.
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After the free air calibration, I had the two different wide bands hanging together powered up and you can put a little propane and watch the AFR change on the NTK but the 30-0333 would go full rich any time the propane got near it. I pulled a third wide band (FJO) and it would read fine and show changes with a little propane.
I guess my 30-0333 is digital - full lean or full rich. HAHAHAHA!!!
I guess I got one of the bad one. I have read where many have had defective 30-0333 units but wanted a plug and play CAN bus wide band but never got that far.
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I am in the process of returning a 30-0333. It would read full rich with any change in the O2 level around it. I had to borrow my friend's NTK to get my tune squared away. I removed the sensor and tried several free air calibrations but it will only read 20:1 or full rich.
After the free air calibration, I had the two different wide bands hanging together powered up and you can put a little propane and watch the AFR change on the NTK but the 30-0333 would go full rich any time the propane got near it. I pulled a third wide band (FJO) and it would read fine and show changes with a little propane.
I guess my 30-0333 is digital - full lean or full rich. HAHAHAHA!!!
I guess I got one of the bad one. I have read where many have had defective 30-0333 units but wanted a plug and play CAN bus wide band but never got that far.
After the free air calibration, I had the two different wide bands hanging together powered up and you can put a little propane and watch the AFR change on the NTK but the 30-0333 would go full rich any time the propane got near it. I pulled a third wide band (FJO) and it would read fine and show changes with a little propane.
I guess my 30-0333 is digital - full lean or full rich. HAHAHAHA!!!
I guess I got one of the bad one. I have read where many have had defective 30-0333 units but wanted a plug and play CAN bus wide band but never got that far.