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Old Oct 4, 2020 | 07:34 AM
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I just performed my first auto transmission fluid and filter change(big write up coming soon). 2007 LT3 convertible.

Just a quick question.

I followed all of the procedures(car level, fluid to certain temp etc). I put 7 quarts in and it drained about a quart out leaving 6 quarts in the pan. That six quarts matches exactly what drained out of the trans. Funny thing is most folks on the forum say they drained less than six quarts out. How much should drain out once I removed the pan and filter? Was my trans overfilled before I changed the fluid maybe?
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Did you get it up to temp to measure your fill?
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I let it get to 90 degrees.
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Originally Posted by Showdown22
I let it get to 90 degrees.
Get it to operating temp (IE 180*) check while running
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FWIW. Operating temperature is important.
My understanding was to fill until fluid "dribbles" out the fill hole.

Sure perhaps it was overfilled, only you know based on the service records or your own DIY from the last service.

Good luck and easy enough to double check and confirm you have the proper fill level now.
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Originally Posted by Showdown22
I let it get to 90 degrees.
I prefer 104 F as I finish, which is the middle of the range. I pull the plug once the temp hits 100F.

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Get it to operating temp (IE 180*) check while running
That will guarantee the trans will be underfilled.

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FWIW. Operating temperature is important.
My understanding was to fill until fluid "dribbles" out the fill hole.
Sure perhaps it was overfilled, only you know based on the service records or your own DIY from the last service.
Good luck and easy enough to double check and confirm you have the proper fill level now.
Make sure the car is level too, since that'll affect it more than the temps.
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Originally Posted by Showdown22
I just performed my first auto transmission fluid and filter change(big write up coming soon). 2007 LT3 convertible.

Just a quick question.

I followed all of the procedures(car level, fluid to certain temp etc). I put 7 quarts in and it drained about a quart out leaving 6 quarts in the pan. That six quarts matches exactly what drained out of the trans. Funny thing is most folks on the forum say they drained less than six quarts out. How much should drain out once I removed the pan and filter? Was my trans overfilled before I changed the fluid maybe?
Some of those may not have followed the correct procedure or you may have missed something, since it's your first time. I'll watch for your write-up.
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Okay I'm wrong here I didn't realize that the 6L80e has different fill level instructions!

Thanks XOXOXO
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I just did my 09 with A6 last night, fluid and filter...Drained 6 Qts. I filled with 6.5 Qts. Checked level with car running and trans @122*F...Only a little bit came out and quickly started dripping.

My A6 has a fill hole on the side and a drain hole at the bottom of the pan. The drain hole is the one I check the level with car running.

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I just did my 09 with A6 last night, fluid and filter...Drained 6 Qts. I filled with 6.5 Qts. Checked level with car running and trans @122*F...Only a little bit came out and quickly started dripping.

My A6 has a fill hole on the side and a drain hole at the bottom of the pan. The drain hole is the one I check the level with car running.

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Funny that you mention that, because about 10-12 years ago, I had my '08 at two different shops that didn't understand the fill procedure. One was getting ready to add Dexxron III, before I stopped him and told him I'd buy fluid and do my own check and fill, if it was necessary. The other shop never mentioned anything and had filled it to the top, by assuming that the fill plug was a dipstick.
It's why I now tell people, If you have someone else do the trans service, ask them first to tell you what their exact procedure is. If you don't get a correct answer, either educate them or find a different shop.
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Did my 09 a few months ago. 7.5 quarts came out and almost 8 went back in until I got it to trickle at 120 degrees. Some people said its because I have the Z51 option for the added fluid.
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Did my 09 a few months ago. 7.5 quarts came out and almost 8 went back in until I got it to trickle at 120 degrees. Some people said its because I have the Z51 option for the added fluid.
Assuming you changed the filter, and hopefully you did, remember that the filter material retains a couple ounces. Certainly not 8 ounces though. However, you would tend to add a bit more fluid than you drained, if the front of the car was slightly lower than the rear. Just 1 degree will account for 5.5 ounces of overfill.

There is no difference in the A6 for the amount of fluid required if you have the Z51 option and even if it did, that's not logic for refilling a greater amount than you drain.
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Get it up to temp. ~120* then take the drain plug out while the car is running to drain out the excess.

No I did not like crawling under a running car but that's the procedure.
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Originally Posted by Orion2011
Get it up to temp. ~120* then take the drain plug out while the car is running to drain out the excess.

No I did not like crawling under a running car but that's the procedure.
The actual temperature spec is between 86 and 122 F. I tend to do the shift thru the gears procedure at 100 F, since by the time it takes to pull the plug, drain the excess, replace the plug, the temp is at 104 right in the middle of the range. Due to thermal expansion (the reason you control the fluid level) draining excess early, results in overfill and draining excess late will underfill.

BTW, even if you fill it perfectly in the center of the range, at fluid temps below 150 and at WOT from a dead stop, the trans will not do the 1-2 shift properly. You can't it tell by SOTP, but a scan will show it. The cause is that the fluid hasn't expanded yet to the size expected at the normal operating temp of 180-190 and combined with the pan design (as in no baffle to prevent/slow the fluid slosh rearward away from the pickup/filter tube) you get a reduction of available volume at high RPM. It's not enough to cause real cavitation, so no damage will happen. However, the farther you stray from the higher side of the 86-122 F range, the more likely the problem becomes. It's worse if the car is not level (higher in front) when checking.
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