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Old Jul 23, 2021 | 06:35 PM
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I've seen where C7 owners that previously had C6's say that Base C7's can lap a road course quicker than C6 Z06's I don't believe it at all. But it got me to thinking. Is my Z51 base with Bilstein B8 shocks & the thicker tunnel plate going to handle as well as a C7? with comparable tires of course! I have a Cam & heads in mine & know that it has more H.P. than a Base C7,so as far as lap times seems like it could be a good race. What do you think?
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I have a C6 with a BTR stage 2 cam,long tubes and a few other bolt-ons and a stock C7.No way my C7 will hang with the C6.I don't have any experience with the Z06 so I can't comment on that part.
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A road course track is going to be very different from a straight line. My most recent Vettes were 2013 Grand Sport (M6, 4LT, mag ride, NPP), 2015 Stingray Z51 (M7, 3LT, mag ride, NPP, Comp seats), and a 2012 ZR1. I'd take the base C7 (especially Z51) over any C6 short of the ZR1. The LT1 in the C7 has the same HP/TQ curve as the LS7 up to 5000rpm, and the Z51 package on the C7, especially when combined with mag ride, is phenomenal. The C7 Z51 is significantly different than the C6 as you get the eLSD, which really does make a difference. I found the C7 Z51 to be much more communicative than the C6 GS, especially for what the rear end is doing. The C5/6 have always felt a little numb on rear feel, making you just have to trust that it's going to stick. The C7 seems better about telling you what's going on, making you more confident in approaching its limits. If you want hard numbers, on C&D's Lightning Lap the C6 GS did a 2:58.8, an '07 C6 Z06 did a 2:58.2, and the C7 Z51 did a 2:53.8. 5 seconds is a huge difference on a track, so yes the C7 is typically going to be better than you on a road course with equal drivers.

And, yes, a C6 Z06 Carbon (ZR1 carbon fenders/roof, carbon brakes, mag ride, PTM and Cup tires) did a 2:53.5, but that's a very different car/tire setup (Cup tires alone are probably worth most of that difference, with PTM, mag ride and weight making up the rest of the gain).
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Old Jul 24, 2021 | 02:41 PM
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A road course track is going to be very different from a straight line. My most recent Vettes were 2013 Grand Sport (M6, 4LT, mag ride, NPP), 2015 Stingray Z51 (M7, 3LT, mag ride, NPP, Comp seats), and a 2012 ZR1. I'd take the base C7 (especially Z51) over any C6 short of the ZR1. The LT1 in the C7 has the same HP/TQ curve as the LS7 up to 5000rpm, and the Z51 package on the C7, especially when combined with mag ride, is phenomenal. The C7 Z51 is significantly different than the C6 as you get the eLSD, which really does make a difference. I found the C7 Z51 to be much more communicative than the C6 GS, especially for what the rear end is doing. The C5/6 have always felt a little numb on rear feel, making you just have to trust that it's going to stick. The C7 seems better about telling you what's going on, making you more confident in approaching its limits. If you want hard numbers, on C&D's Lightning Lap the C6 GS did a 2:58.8, an '07 C6 Z06 did a 2:58.2, and the C7 Z51 did a 2:53.8. 5 seconds is a huge difference on a track, so yes the C7 is typically going to be better than you on a road course with equal drivers.

And, yes, a C6 Z06 Carbon (ZR1 carbon fenders/roof, carbon brakes, mag ride, PTM and Cup tires) did a 2:53.5, but that's a very different car/tire setup (Cup tires alone are probably worth most of that difference, with PTM, mag ride and weight making up the rest of the gain).
Thanks Evan! good info there. I know that since upgrading the shocks (b8), tunnel plate, & adding PS4S tires my car doesn't have that vague rear end feel anymore. My quarry isn't if a stock C7 can lap a road coarse better or quicker than a stock C6....... it's once a stock C6 has addressed the flimsy tunnel plate & upgrade the stock shocks to something decent does it narrow the gap (difference) in the handling?
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Thanks Evan! good info there. I know that since upgrading the shocks (b8), tunnel plate, & adding PS4S tires my car doesn't have that vague rear end feel anymore. My quarry isn't if a stock C7 can lap a road coarse better or quicker than a stock C6....... it's once a stock C6 has addressed the flimsy tunnel plate & upgrade the stock shocks to something decent does it narrow the gap (difference) in the handling?
Having done a lot of road course track days, I can tell you what is going to make the biggest difference: the driver. Spend money improving yourself, not the car. Often doing mods to a car will make it handle worse than when it was stock, fortunately you haven't really don't anything that I wouldn't classify as a worthwhile upgrade. Good shocks and tires are always a good upgrade, anything beyond that, focus on improving your driving skills. Take a driving school, you'll be amazed how much faster you can get.
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Originally Posted by EvanZR1
A road course track is going to be very different from a straight line. My most recent Vettes were 2013 Grand Sport (M6, 4LT, mag ride, NPP), 2015 Stingray Z51 (M7, 3LT, mag ride, NPP, Comp seats), and a 2012 ZR1. I'd take the base C7 (especially Z51) over any C6 short of the ZR1. The LT1 in the C7 has the same HP/TQ curve as the LS7 up to 5000rpm, and the Z51 package on the C7, especially when combined with mag ride, is phenomenal. The C7 Z51 is significantly different than the C6 as you get the eLSD, which really does make a difference. I found the C7 Z51 to be much more communicative than the C6 GS, especially for what the rear end is doing. The C5/6 have always felt a little numb on rear feel, making you just have to trust that it's going to stick. The C7 seems better about telling you what's going on, making you more confident in approaching its limits. If you want hard numbers, on C&D's Lightning Lap the C6 GS did a 2:58.8, an '07 C6 Z06 did a 2:58.2, and the C7 Z51 did a 2:53.8. 5 seconds is a huge difference on a track, so yes the C7 is typically going to be better than you on a road course with equal drivers.

And, yes, a C6 Z06 Carbon (ZR1 carbon fenders/roof, carbon brakes, mag ride, PTM and Cup tires) did a 2:53.5, but that's a very different car/tire setup (Cup tires alone are probably worth most of that difference, with PTM, mag ride and weight making up the rest of the gain).
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Having done a lot of road course track days, I can tell you what is going to make the biggest difference: the driver. Spend money improving yourself, not the car. Often doing mods to a car will make it handle worse than when it was stock, fortunately you haven't really don't anything that I wouldn't classify as a worthwhile upgrade. Good shocks and tires are always a good upgrade, anything beyond that, focus on improving your driving skills. Take a driving school, you'll be amazed how much faster you can get.
Thanks for the obvious Evan, If you don't have an answer to the question why reply about my lack of driving skills when you know nothing about me! Please move on!
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Sorry if I upset you, I was trying to offer real advice., Not personally attack you. Never said anything about your lack of driving skills, just that the best way to get faster is improve the driver's skills. I would still say the same for myself after many track days and running real door to door races.
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There is no way in hell a base c7 is going to work a c6z on a road course. To answer your question simply, your car should put a beating on a stock c7 as long as your as good of a driver as you told Evan you were.
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Thanks EvanZR1

I'm going to rephrase my question,

I have worked on many C6's and a few C7's and I don't see anything remarkably different in their suspensions aside from better shocks, tires & wheels and a much beefier (like the C6R had) t.pl. I know the Elect. R&P has better feel too. Maybe the chassis is a bit stiffer as well! Okay I do understand that & there could be more too. The C6 is lighter than a comparable C7 I think & that's good.
Anyways Can a C6 narrow body be modified to handle as well at high speeds on 2 lane canyon roads as a C7 narrow body?
Slowz28 I didn't mean to infer that I have driving skills better than others altho they could be better than some lol
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Originally Posted by grpweld
Thanks EvanZR1

I'm going to rephrase my question,

I have worked on many C6's and a few C7's and I don't see anything remarkably different in their suspensions aside from better shocks, tires & wheels and a much beefier (like the C6R had) t.pl. I know the Elect. R&P has better feel too. Maybe the chassis is a bit stiffer as well! Okay I do understand that & there could be more too. The C6 is lighter than a comparable C7 I think & that's good.
Anyways Can a C6 narrow body be modified to handle as well at high speeds on 2 lane canyon roads as a C7 narrow body?
Slowz28 I didn't mean to infer that I have driving skills better than others altho they could be better than some lol
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Previous front engine corvettes are fun to drive at the limit. Great sports cars .

c8 has such a composed chassis it’s a totally different driving experience

srive both and decide for yourself.

easy once you
drive both.

until then your just pontificating
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Originally Posted by JerriVette
Previous front engine corvettes are fun to drive at the limit. Great sports cars .

c8 has such a composed chassis it’s a totally different driving experience

srive both and decide for yourself.

easy once you
drive both.

until then your just pontificating
What's your point here? There's no questions about C8's in this thread!
Do you know the definition of pontificating? I think NOT!
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Originally Posted by grpweld
What's your point here? There's no questions about C8's in this thread!
Do you know the definition of pontificating? I think NOT!
I'm guessing he's a "related threads" victim.
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