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Old May 7, 2020 | 09:24 PM
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I know a lot of the early LT4 builds were going with VVT deletes and cam phase limiters. Has there been a shift towards lockouts? If so what was the discovery to the shift? Buddy of mine is trying to diagnose a possible drivetrain issue and a few people are stating its a lock out vs limiter issue. Any insight would be great!!

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we always do a full lockout. seen it countless times cars come in from other shops with a cam and a phaser limiter and the cam will roll back some up top.
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we always do a full lockout. seen it countless times cars come in from other shops with a cam and a phaser limiter and the cam will roll back some up top.
Seeing this on certain applications more so than other, PD v Centri with more linear power or does it not matter really? Certain power level more at risk?
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we do it even on NA setups. every single car, every single time.
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Originally Posted by Joe@CPR
we do it even on NA setups. every single car, every single time.
Thanks for your reply Joe. Hard to get info out of this site now for various reasons. Unless you want to talk about Avendator taillight swaps.
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Thanks for your reply Joe. Hard to get info out of this site now for various reasons. Unless you want to talk about Avendator taillight swaps.

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What I understood previously is that VVT cams require phase limiters, while non-VVT cam require phase lock. I could be wrong

I am currently running LPE GT35 cam. Being a VVT cam, it has 11 degrees advance. I am suspecting that I may have a "roll back" problem at high rpm

Does anyone know what might happen if you put a phase lock on a VVT cam?
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If you still have a VVT cam I belive you will have to change the lifters as well. I don't think you can just put a lock in the gear and call it good. The tune also needs to be adjusted. I don't know for certain that you can do this. It isn't a normal practice to attempt this way. I'd suggest a non VVT cam setup and lock it out. On a built motor and 2650 setup you shouldn't be running VVT anyways.
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Originally Posted by ss2z06
On a built motor and 2650 setup you shouldn't be running VVT anyways.
Totally agree, this is what happens when plans keep changing . I am running LS7 lifters

Planning to put my car on a mustang dyno next week & see what happens at high rpm
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Originally Posted by Corvette4ever
Totally agree, this is what happens when plans keep changing . I am running LS7 lifters

Planning to put my car on a mustang dyno next week & see what happens at high rpm
I'm running LS7 lifters as well no issues up top. However my buddy is seeing issues with his build. But he has a 2650 on his LT4/Camaro. Car was breaking up, up top, now she's ticking on the leftside. Hoping its just a lifter. Oil pressure, oil and filter all look good.
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