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Or the seats will still suck?
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12-26-2011, 01:32 PM
#101
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The thing that's killed it the most? Too much hype....this car was way over promised, and has under delivered..... Which for quite a few people probably would not be that big of a deal if it simply LOOKED BETTER!!! Case in point...the latest Pontiac GTO.
If I saw a GTR on the road, I probably wouldn't even notice what it was....just like the GTO....until of course it's owner stepped up to "give 'em a go" like most posers do. Hell I would take an Audi R8 all day long over a GTR.....Cause it LOOKS BETTER
So, while a cars stats may only be arguable based on the bias of who tested the car and what kind of tires were used. How a car looks, is based solely on ones opinion....so you might want to go to a place where others share that opinion (minority of an opinion as it may be)....I'm sure there's got to be a GTR Fan Boy forum somewhere....or at least some sort of support group for those that have already wasted there $$ buying one....
If I saw a GTR on the road, I probably wouldn't even notice what it was....just like the GTO....until of course it's owner stepped up to "give 'em a go" like most posers do. Hell I would take an Audi R8 all day long over a GTR.....Cause it LOOKS BETTER
So, while a cars stats may only be arguable based on the bias of who tested the car and what kind of tires were used. How a car looks, is based solely on ones opinion....so you might want to go to a place where others share that opinion (minority of an opinion as it may be)....I'm sure there's got to be a GTR Fan Boy forum somewhere....or at least some sort of support group for those that have already wasted there $$ buying one....
now comes a sub 100k "supercar" and posts almost identical numbers to the ZR1 and you say it doesnt deliver
Take 10 ZR1 owners and take 10(2012) GTR owners. Have them go at it 1/4 mile and at the track. 8 out of 10 times the GTR will win. Its more consistant... its a sick *** car. Looks are subjective. I dont think its looks as good as a ZR1 but then again, the zr1 looks like a base c6 to many...
I want to know how many zr1s are sold yearly!
Here's an observation you may find interesting... and I had some time off from work. 
On Facebook, Motor Trend asked what car you'd want Santa to leave in your driveway. Now before you start attacking FB, or the "fools" who'd go there, understand my point (or stop reading now and save yourself some time). FB is huge and there will be a broad mix of car enthusiasts on Motor Trends FB page (and certainly younger than the average Corvette buyer). Many of these are people who'll spend money on future sports cars and who's taste, preference & passions are forming now. This is admittedly an unscientific survey, but significant numbers here may be directionally important, and provide a barometer of what young car enthusiasts are dreaming about owning someday. Some results were no surprise at all, the wildly expensive super "dream" cars like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti or Bentley. I was curious about Corvette popularity, and that's reason I looked. Other cars caught my eye and surprised me, and are the reason for this post.
Ferrari..........15
Nissan GT-R..15
Mustang........11
Corvette........10
BMW.............10
Audi...............9
Lamborghini....7
Cadillac..........6
Porsche..........5
Challenger......2
Shelby...........4
Camaro..........3
Bentley..........3
Bugatti...........2
Lexus.............2
Mercedes........1
Jaguar............1
Others..........25 (SUVs, trucks, some single mentions...)
The GT-R is top of the list, equal to Ferrari. Wow. And with little or no legacy like Corvette and some other brands. It's an obvious indicator as to what Corvette should be looking at to attract new and younger buyers. If Corvette doesn't consider the GT-R when building the C7 they are fools. At $95K the GT-R is a halo car and falls in the high-end Z06 or ZR1 price range. You haters can dismiss the GT-R, but a company with deep pockets like Nissan can build on this appeal in a big way. And, the GT-R looks like a future collector car to me. It's available in limited numbers and 50+ year olds buy the cars they dreamed about when younger, like what drives demand for 1960s muscle cars today.
Audi and Cadillac scored higher than I expected, a powerful statement of what new styling and better marketing can do for a fallen brand.
I expected Porsche and the Camaro to do better, and maybe they would in a larger survey. Regardless of size, this must be alarming (and embarrassing) to Lexus, Mercedes and Jaguar. I'm sure they'd argue some nonsense about attracting buyers with more "mature" taste. But Corvette, BMW, Audi, even Cadillac, attract mature buyers and they still have young people dreaming about owning them.
FWIW, don't shoot me I'm only the messenger.
Cheers,
JB
On Facebook, Motor Trend asked what car you'd want Santa to leave in your driveway. Now before you start attacking FB, or the "fools" who'd go there, understand my point (or stop reading now and save yourself some time). FB is huge and there will be a broad mix of car enthusiasts on Motor Trends FB page (and certainly younger than the average Corvette buyer). Many of these are people who'll spend money on future sports cars and who's taste, preference & passions are forming now. This is admittedly an unscientific survey, but significant numbers here may be directionally important, and provide a barometer of what young car enthusiasts are dreaming about owning someday. Some results were no surprise at all, the wildly expensive super "dream" cars like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti or Bentley. I was curious about Corvette popularity, and that's reason I looked. Other cars caught my eye and surprised me, and are the reason for this post.Ferrari..........15
Nissan GT-R..15
Mustang........11
Corvette........10
BMW.............10
Audi...............9
Lamborghini....7
Cadillac..........6
Porsche..........5
Challenger......2
Shelby...........4
Camaro..........3
Bentley..........3
Bugatti...........2
Lexus.............2
Mercedes........1
Jaguar............1
Others..........25 (SUVs, trucks, some single mentions...)
The GT-R is top of the list, equal to Ferrari. Wow. And with little or no legacy like Corvette and some other brands. It's an obvious indicator as to what Corvette should be looking at to attract new and younger buyers. If Corvette doesn't consider the GT-R when building the C7 they are fools. At $95K the GT-R is a halo car and falls in the high-end Z06 or ZR1 price range. You haters can dismiss the GT-R, but a company with deep pockets like Nissan can build on this appeal in a big way. And, the GT-R looks like a future collector car to me. It's available in limited numbers and 50+ year olds buy the cars they dreamed about when younger, like what drives demand for 1960s muscle cars today.
Audi and Cadillac scored higher than I expected, a powerful statement of what new styling and better marketing can do for a fallen brand.
I expected Porsche and the Camaro to do better, and maybe they would in a larger survey. Regardless of size, this must be alarming (and embarrassing) to Lexus, Mercedes and Jaguar. I'm sure they'd argue some nonsense about attracting buyers with more "mature" taste. But Corvette, BMW, Audi, even Cadillac, attract mature buyers and they still have young people dreaming about owning them.
FWIW, don't shoot me I'm only the messenger.
Cheers,
JB
12-26-2011, 02:08 PM
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Here's an observation you may find interesting... and I had some time off from work. On Facebook, Motor Trend asked what car you'd want Santa to leave in your driveway. Now before you start attacking FB, or the "fools" who'd go there, understand my point (or stop reading now and save yourself some time). FB is huge and there will be a broad mix of car enthusiasts on Motor Trends FB page (and certainly younger than the average Corvette buyer). Many of these are people who'll spend money on future sports cars and who's taste, preference & passions are forming now. This is admittedly an unscientific survey, but significant numbers here may be directionally important, and provide a barometer of what young car enthusiasts are dreaming about owning someday. Some results were no surprise at all, the wildly expensive super "dream" cars like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti or Bentley. I was curious about Corvette popularity, and that's reason I looked. Other cars caught my eye and surprised me, and are the reason for this post.
Ferrari..........15
Nissan GT-R..15
Mustang........11
Corvette........10
BMW.............10
Audi...............9
Lamborghini....7
Cadillac..........6
Porsche..........5
Challenger......2
Shelby...........4
Camaro..........3
Bentley..........3
Bugatti...........2
Lexus.............2
Mercedes........1
Jaguar............1
Others..........25 (SUVs, trucks, some single mentions...)
The GT-R is top of the list, equal to Ferrari. Wow. And with little or no legacy like Corvette and some other brands. It's an obvious indicator as to what Corvette should be looking at to attract new and younger buyers. If Corvette doesn't consider the GT-R when building the C7 they are fools. At $95K the GT-R is a halo car and falls in the high-end Z06 or ZR1 price range. You haters can dismiss the GT-R, but a company with deep pockets like Nissan can build on this appeal in a big way. And, the GT-R looks like a future collector car to me. It's available in limited numbers and 50+ year olds buy the cars they dreamed about when younger, like what drives demand for 1960s muscle cars today.
Audi and Cadillac scored higher than I expected, a powerful statement of what new styling and better marketing can do for a fallen brand.
I expected Porsche and the Camaro to do better, and maybe they would in a larger survey. Regardless of size, this must be alarming (and embarrassing) to Lexus, Mercedes and Jaguar. I'm sure they'd argue some nonsense about attracting buyers with more "mature" taste. But Corvette, BMW, Audi, even Cadillac, attract mature buyers and they still have young people dreaming about owning them.
FWIW, don't shoot me I'm only the messenger.
Cheers,
JB
On Facebook, Motor Trend asked what car you'd want Santa to leave in your driveway. Now before you start attacking FB, or the "fools" who'd go there, understand my point (or stop reading now and save yourself some time). FB is huge and there will be a broad mix of car enthusiasts on Motor Trends FB page (and certainly younger than the average Corvette buyer). Many of these are people who'll spend money on future sports cars and who's taste, preference & passions are forming now. This is admittedly an unscientific survey, but significant numbers here may be directionally important, and provide a barometer of what young car enthusiasts are dreaming about owning someday. Some results were no surprise at all, the wildly expensive super "dream" cars like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti or Bentley. I was curious about Corvette popularity, and that's reason I looked. Other cars caught my eye and surprised me, and are the reason for this post.Ferrari..........15
Nissan GT-R..15
Mustang........11
Corvette........10
BMW.............10
Audi...............9
Lamborghini....7
Cadillac..........6
Porsche..........5
Challenger......2
Shelby...........4
Camaro..........3
Bentley..........3
Bugatti...........2
Lexus.............2
Mercedes........1
Jaguar............1
Others..........25 (SUVs, trucks, some single mentions...)
The GT-R is top of the list, equal to Ferrari. Wow. And with little or no legacy like Corvette and some other brands. It's an obvious indicator as to what Corvette should be looking at to attract new and younger buyers. If Corvette doesn't consider the GT-R when building the C7 they are fools. At $95K the GT-R is a halo car and falls in the high-end Z06 or ZR1 price range. You haters can dismiss the GT-R, but a company with deep pockets like Nissan can build on this appeal in a big way. And, the GT-R looks like a future collector car to me. It's available in limited numbers and 50+ year olds buy the cars they dreamed about when younger, like what drives demand for 1960s muscle cars today.
Audi and Cadillac scored higher than I expected, a powerful statement of what new styling and better marketing can do for a fallen brand.
I expected Porsche and the Camaro to do better, and maybe they would in a larger survey. Regardless of size, this must be alarming (and embarrassing) to Lexus, Mercedes and Jaguar. I'm sure they'd argue some nonsense about attracting buyers with more "mature" taste. But Corvette, BMW, Audi, even Cadillac, attract mature buyers and they still have young people dreaming about owning them.
FWIW, don't shoot me I'm only the messenger.
Cheers,
JB
For GM to ignore the GTR is absurd instead it should be a benchmark of what is possible. Again I hope the C7 steps up its game and I'm back in vette in 2013.
You are ****ing delusional if you think it under delivered. Just two years ago, everyone was calling a corvette a "supercar" for what the ZR1 did at 120k...
now comes a sub 100k "supercar" and posts almost identical numbers to the ZR1 and you say it doesnt deliver
Take 10 ZR1 owners and take 10(2012) GTR owners. Have them go at it 1/4 mile and at the track. 8 out of 10 times the GTR will win. Its more consistant... its a sick *** car. Looks are subjective. I dont think its looks as good as a ZR1 but then again, the zr1 looks like a base c6 to many...
I keep hearing this. believe it or not, the R35(gtr) has roots well into the 60s
now comes a sub 100k "supercar" and posts almost identical numbers to the ZR1 and you say it doesnt deliver
Take 10 ZR1 owners and take 10(2012) GTR owners. Have them go at it 1/4 mile and at the track. 8 out of 10 times the GTR will win. Its more consistant... its a sick *** car. Looks are subjective. I dont think its looks as good as a ZR1 but then again, the zr1 looks like a base c6 to many...
I keep hearing this. believe it or not, the R35(gtr) has roots well into the 60s
12-28-2011, 10:16 PM
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GM better bring it, with Ford comming out with a 650hp GT500, and Dodge already testing the 8.7L V10 with 800hp that will most likely end up in the new Viper. I sure hope we see the C7 ZR1 with no less then 750 hp
12-29-2011, 01:25 AM
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Take 10 ZR1 owners and take 10(2012) GTR owners. Have them go at it 1/4 mile and at the track. 8 out of 10 times the GTR will win. Its more consistant... its a sick *** car. Looks are subjective. I dont think its looks as good as a ZR1 but then again, the zr1 looks like a base c6 to many...
And nissan is denying any warranty work if you use the launch control and break the tranny, thats excellent customer service if you ask me. To put a feature in a car and then screw the customer for using it if something malfunctions. You guys can keep your GTR i'll stick with my chevrolet through thick and thin.
12-29-2011, 09:15 AM
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And nissan is denying any warranty work if you use the launch control and break the tranny, thats excellent customer service if you ask me. To put a feature in a car and then screw the customer for using it if something malfunctions. You guys can keep your GTR i'll stick with my chevrolet through thick and thin.
WHAT THE CRAP? Make a car, post numbers, then penalize your buyer who expects his/her car to replicate the performance? If I'd purchased a GTR, I'd be pissed. Part of what will kill the GTR will be the class action law suit about warranty claims vs. performance claims. The GTR isn't a true performance car, it is performance hype! That's why the FaceBook uninformed have it at the top of their list. They are bench racers <read RICE>.
Stepping down now...
12-29-2011, 05:44 PM
#110
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Best Handling Cars Motor Trend Tested in 2011
And then there was this...
The 10 Best Handling Cars Motor Trend Tested in 2011
#1 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Beating all the usual suspects, including the 911, GT-R, Ferrari & Audi.
"The C7 has big shoes to fill."
http://wot.motortrend.com/the-10-bes...11-148669.html
The 10 Best Handling Cars Motor Trend Tested in 2011
#1 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Beating all the usual suspects, including the 911, GT-R, Ferrari & Audi.
"The C7 has big shoes to fill."
http://wot.motortrend.com/the-10-bes...11-148669.html
12-29-2011, 07:29 PM
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for my money
6. 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport/2012 Lexus LFA
Figure Eight: 23.7 seconds @ 0.82 g (avg)/23.7 seconds @ 0.89 g (avg)
Skidpad: 1.09 g (avg)/1.07 g (avg)
The Lexus LFA that survived Best Driver’s Car circled the figure eight in the same time as a mint Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport, which will undoubtedly kick-start many conversations about value, performance, and some combination thereof. We’ve explored the much-hyped, exotic Lexus in great detail during its long development. The tested Corvette Grand Sport is a hardened version of the base, 430-horsepower ‘Vette with Magnetic Selective Ride Control, and it has certainly done well for itself.
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/the-10-bes...#ixzz1hyPJzAut
6. 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport/2012 Lexus LFA
Figure Eight: 23.7 seconds @ 0.82 g (avg)/23.7 seconds @ 0.89 g (avg)
Skidpad: 1.09 g (avg)/1.07 g (avg)
The Lexus LFA that survived Best Driver’s Car circled the figure eight in the same time as a mint Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport, which will undoubtedly kick-start many conversations about value, performance, and some combination thereof. We’ve explored the much-hyped, exotic Lexus in great detail during its long development. The tested Corvette Grand Sport is a hardened version of the base, 430-horsepower ‘Vette with Magnetic Selective Ride Control, and it has certainly done well for itself.
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/the-10-bes...#ixzz1hyPJzAut
12-30-2011, 01:05 AM
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I just want to point out to all you GTR fans...
The GTR has 530hp and weighs 3900lbs
The ZR1 has 638hp and weighs 3353lbs
With over a 100hp and almost a 600lb advantage I am sure if the ZR1 used all the cheater technology the GTR uses I bet we'd for sure see low 10's off the showroom floor, and possibly takeoff speed would nipping 60mph!
The GTR has 530hp and weighs 3900lbs
The ZR1 has 638hp and weighs 3353lbs
With over a 100hp and almost a 600lb advantage I am sure if the ZR1 used all the cheater technology the GTR uses I bet we'd for sure see low 10's off the showroom floor, and possibly takeoff speed would nipping 60mph!
12-30-2011, 07:18 AM
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some useful comments from across the pond and a drag race.......................
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/c...vs-jaguar-xkr/
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/c...vs-jaguar-xkr/
12-31-2011, 06:44 AM
#114
some useful comments from across the pond and a drag race.......................
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/c...vs-jaguar-xkr/
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/c...vs-jaguar-xkr/
Notice how they mention the numeral price of the corvette but no mention of exact prices of the competition. Just a vague mention that Jaguar is even more expensive.
SO 73K pounds Corvette...folks that is 112.808 dollars for a 2012 GS!! A staggering 55K tax/fee on US import. Do the UK Jaguar and GP Nissan incur the same penalty? NOT.
No wonder the video concludes that the Corvette GS comes a bit short vis a vis the competition for the money. Gee lady!
Let us take your Jaguar and Nissan slap an additional 55K on the sticker and conclude the exact opposite: That a Nissan at USD 168000 and a Jaguar at USD 185000 are a complete rip-off.
12-31-2011, 09:46 AM
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I disagree with you ^, and just feel the C6 is at the end of its run, and time for an update.
This is from Motor Trend
But, the biggest disappointment for me would have to be Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport – surprising because I have always preferred the simplicity of American cars over exotics. Is the Grand Sport fast? YES! But, it just didn’t feel special, like it had no soul, which is a shame for a car with an uninterrupted nameplate dating back to 1953. Hopefully GM can improve the C7 Corvette and ignite some passion back into America’s sports car (and ditch the transverse mono-leaf suspension).
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/mt-staff-p...#ixzz1i7j020Go
This is from Motor Trend
But, the biggest disappointment for me would have to be Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport – surprising because I have always preferred the simplicity of American cars over exotics. Is the Grand Sport fast? YES! But, it just didn’t feel special, like it had no soul, which is a shame for a car with an uninterrupted nameplate dating back to 1953. Hopefully GM can improve the C7 Corvette and ignite some passion back into America’s sports car (and ditch the transverse mono-leaf suspension).
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/mt-staff-p...#ixzz1i7j020Go
12-31-2011, 11:48 AM
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some useful comments from across the pond and a drag race.......................
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/c...vs-jaguar-xkr/
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/c...vs-jaguar-xkr/
They been bashing american cars for years. But the fact is that no matter how antiquated the vette suspension is (so they seem to say) or how cheap the interior looks it still managed to survive for almost 60 years.
12-31-2011, 11:52 AM
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Can I ask everyone a question?
When the C6 came out did it stun the competition? I believe it did!
Its approaching its 8th birthday and I am certain when its reborn it will definitely hang if not surpass what is out there now.
When the C6 came out did it stun the competition? I believe it did!
Its approaching its 8th birthday and I am certain when its reborn it will definitely hang if not surpass what is out there now.
12-31-2011, 11:52 AM
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Melting Slicks
Let's be real, the "worst car" any MT editor (or normal person) will drive is going to be a cheap econobox.
"Soul" is an intentionally ambiguous term. I think Udy picked Corvette to be controversial, and it means nothing more.
Cheers,
JB
"Soul" is an intentionally ambiguous term. I think Udy picked Corvette to be controversial, and it means nothing more.
Cheers,
JB
01-01-2012, 04:38 AM
#119
I disagree with you ^, and just feel the C6 is at the end of its run, and time for an update.
This is from Motor Trend
But, the biggest disappointment for me would have to be Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport – surprising because I have always preferred the simplicity of American cars over exotics. Is the Grand Sport fast? YES! But, it just didn’t feel special, like it had no soul, which is a shame for a car with an uninterrupted nameplate dating back to 1953. Hopefully GM can improve the C7 Corvette and ignite some passion back into America’s sports car (and ditch the transverse mono-leaf suspension).
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/mt-staff-p...#ixzz1i7j020Go
This is from Motor Trend
But, the biggest disappointment for me would have to be Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport – surprising because I have always preferred the simplicity of American cars over exotics. Is the Grand Sport fast? YES! But, it just didn’t feel special, like it had no soul, which is a shame for a car with an uninterrupted nameplate dating back to 1953. Hopefully GM can improve the C7 Corvette and ignite some passion back into America’s sports car (and ditch the transverse mono-leaf suspension).
Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/mt-staff-p...#ixzz1i7j020Go
I am just pointing out that the links you submitted are not very effective nor objective in making the case that the C6 is "old" and a thing of the past COMPARED to EQUAL competitors.
01-01-2012, 08:16 AM
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I agree on disagreements but I do object to the methods and sources you use to turn a subjective opinion into an objective proposition.
I am just pointing out that the links you submitted are not very effective nor objective in making the case that the C6 is "old" and a thing of the past COMPARED to EQUAL competitors.
I am just pointing out that the links you submitted are not very effective nor objective in making the case that the C6 is "old" and a thing of the past COMPARED to EQUAL competitors.
Fair enough, but both AutoCar and Motortrend basically stated time for an update. The Vette did not make Car and Drivers 10 best, as in the past. I want my C7 sooner then later.