Snip it from May 2012 Motor Trend
03-25-2012, 02:04 AM
#41
Team Owner
03-25-2012, 04:21 AM
#42
Are there any Direct Engine push-rod V8 variants at the moment?
What are they placed in?
What are they placed in?
03-25-2012, 07:45 AM
#43
Lepus-temperamentalus
I think it might be good to look over at the competition with the blue oval and see what they're doing to get a better handle on what GM might be up to.
Take a look at the Ford F150. They now offer, as an OPTION, moving UP to the EcoBoost engine, a version of Ford's twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V-6 that puts out 365 horsepower and 420 pound-feet.
That's 15-20 hp MORE than a standard C5. Certainly nothing to sneeze at and that's when tuned for a truck for maximum torque. GM almost certainly is looking to compete in that area.
Take a look at the Ford F150. They now offer, as an OPTION, moving UP to the EcoBoost engine, a version of Ford's twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V-6 that puts out 365 horsepower and 420 pound-feet.
That's 15-20 hp MORE than a standard C5. Certainly nothing to sneeze at and that's when tuned for a truck for maximum torque. GM almost certainly is looking to compete in that area.
03-25-2012, 03:22 PM
#44
Le Mans Master
03-25-2012, 03:36 PM
#45
Race Director
You won't shut up about how young and wealthy and cool you are, and now it comes out that you've been thinking about our junk. So who is it that's compensating for something?
You are the most entertaining troll I can remember. But before you get too flattered, keep in mind I'm old and my memory isn't so good...
You are the most entertaining troll I can remember. But before you get too flattered, keep in mind I'm old and my memory isn't so good...
03-25-2012, 03:43 PM
#46
Race Director
03-25-2012, 04:11 PM
#47
Le Mans Master
Instead, I expect them to leverage their strengths in the short-term, sticking to V8s on trucks while bringing forced induction up through the car & CUV side of the business. In other words, look for the pushrod V8 to get significantly more efficient (no surprise to longtime residents of this forum), with direct injection and (on trucks) widespread adoption of displacement on demand. (I know GM has another name for it, but it's stupid.) They'll also shift displacements down to maintain similar power levels at greater efficiency, rather than greater power levels at similar efficiency. For example, a 5.3-5.5L motor will replace the 6.0L. Their marketing will play up the V8 angle, versus Ford's EcoBoost story.
Meanwhile, the turbo fours will knock off all the V6s except the 3.6L. I'd say they'd add displacement on demand to the 3.6L V6 but that creates a three-cylinder and NVH issues. Might we see a larger-displacement blown four-pot and a smaller-displacement DoD V8 squeeze the V6 from both sides? That would be cool...
.Jinx
03-25-2012, 04:20 PM
#48
Race Director
03-25-2012, 04:22 PM
#49
Le Mans Master
Stick to cars. Not how ballin' you are, not how we fit your ageist and classist slurs, just cars.
.Jinx
03-25-2012, 06:23 PM
#50
Advanced
GM already has a V8 named LS4. It is the 5.3L V8 producing 303 HP and 323 torque. It is used in the Monte carlo ss, impala ss, and pontiac grand prix gxp. Also used in the Silverados of course! It is an active fuel management engine.
03-25-2012, 06:27 PM
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I think I read somewhere the Gen V V8 would be given an LT designation.
03-25-2012, 07:39 PM
#52
Team Owner
I'm thinkin' LS5 or maybe even LS8?
LS10?
03-27-2012, 05:18 PM
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Just as when the C5 debuted and everybody was like huh "transmission is in the back? LS what? On the fly throttle injection?"
I think GM's got a lot in their arsenal and is not revealing crap. When it hits don't be surprised to see 1 thing or the other happen. We are either going to get a "little taste" in 2013 and see a C7 that will essentially be a C6.5 with some refinements. In a year or two we then will see the 2015/2016 C8 which will be a complete redesign and show all the bells and whistles. OR we are going to see the redesign next year. Either way....I just don't see GM following Ford or Mopar...in respect to the Corvette. Never have...never will. V6 return to the Corvette? I guess anything is possible but not very likely at all...we are talking a Corvette here...not a Camaro or Mustang.
I think GM's got a lot in their arsenal and is not revealing crap. When it hits don't be surprised to see 1 thing or the other happen. We are either going to get a "little taste" in 2013 and see a C7 that will essentially be a C6.5 with some refinements. In a year or two we then will see the 2015/2016 C8 which will be a complete redesign and show all the bells and whistles. OR we are going to see the redesign next year. Either way....I just don't see GM following Ford or Mopar...in respect to the Corvette. Never have...never will. V6 return to the Corvette? I guess anything is possible but not very likely at all...we are talking a Corvette here...not a Camaro or Mustang.
03-27-2012, 08:21 PM
#54
Sounds like an educated guess more than a GM leak. Logically you'd build the base car first, then build the special or HP versions off the base model you've created. GM wouldn't hold off on releasing the base C7 for 9-12 months while they finished the Z06, GS or ZR1. A staggered release also has a significant side benefit for GM, it would motivate some Corvette enthusiasts to purchase multiple cars (You know who you are. GM loves you. 
), a base in 2014, then an HP model 2-3 years later, it's an extra sale they wouldn't make if all the choices were available in year one. Given the number of Corvette enthusiasts, this could be a significant number of cars.
Personally, I don't believe the CAFE comment. The Z06 & ZR1 sell in such small quantities relative to other GM models it wouldn't impact the corporate average much at all.
), a base in 2014, then an HP model 2-3 years later, it's an extra sale they wouldn't make if all the choices were available in year one. Given the number of Corvette enthusiasts, this could be a significant number of cars.Personally, I don't believe the CAFE comment. The Z06 & ZR1 sell in such small quantities relative to other GM models it wouldn't impact the corporate average much at all.
03-28-2012, 04:13 PM
#56
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I know the Corvette is the standard for the term "American Muscle," (which is what the big V8 is all about), however, there are a couple cars with 6 cylinders pushing out well over 500hp and cost $100k-$160k (GT-R and 911 Turbo). I know that takes away from the American Muscle agenda, but it can be done. I don't think that if GM puts in a V6...it's going to be on par with a Mustang or Camaro. But I'm assuming a LOT of Corvette owners like the simple, large displacement, push-rod engine and they don't want that to go away. JMO.
I will say, being a GT-R owner, that I was always envious of that V8 sound! But loud doesn't always mean fast. I remember the 300hp Mustang GT's that had exhaust (sounded great) that would get destroyed by my old BMW 335i (not loud at all).
I now own a Lexus IS-F, and while not near the car of a 911 Turbo or GT-R,...there IS something to be loved about a V8 under the hood. Just my perspective having owned several different labels of vehicles.
I will say, being a GT-R owner, that I was always envious of that V8 sound! But loud doesn't always mean fast. I remember the 300hp Mustang GT's that had exhaust (sounded great) that would get destroyed by my old BMW 335i (not loud at all).
I now own a Lexus IS-F, and while not near the car of a 911 Turbo or GT-R,...there IS something to be loved about a V8 under the hood. Just my perspective having owned several different labels of vehicles.
03-28-2012, 05:48 PM
#57
Team Owner
I know the Corvette is the standard for the term "American Muscle," (which is what the big V8 is all about), however, there are a couple cars with 6 cylinders pushing out well over 500hp and cost $100k-$160k (GT-R and 911 Turbo). I know that takes away from the American Muscle agenda, but it can be done. I don't think that if GM puts in a V6...it's going to be on par with a Mustang or Camaro. But I'm assuming a LOT of Corvette owners like the simple, large displacement, push-rod engine and they don't want that to go away.
03-28-2012, 07:35 PM
#58
I'm probably one if the younger to (rarely) post, but I don't think a v6 would do anything for the vette. most young guys don't look that highly on the vette as it is, but a v6 would just hurt the name further. many manufacturers still use the v8, the vette has almost always had one, and the pushtod is an amazing engine. Imho, I don't see a v6 happening, if anything just a smaller displacement.
As far as the little age dispute, when I graduate my concerns will be a few years off from worrying about a sport car, and even then I will be lucky to look at a used c5z. I'm in a pretty difficult major, so I'm not just going to be broke hopefully. I can attest to you there are thousands upon thousands of people just like me, and mommy and daddy didn't just hook us up. Most of us are looking at a slow economy and worried more about financial security to have a roof over our heads. That's the truth for most early to mid 20 somethings because I'm living it.
As far as the little age dispute, when I graduate my concerns will be a few years off from worrying about a sport car, and even then I will be lucky to look at a used c5z. I'm in a pretty difficult major, so I'm not just going to be broke hopefully. I can attest to you there are thousands upon thousands of people just like me, and mommy and daddy didn't just hook us up. Most of us are looking at a slow economy and worried more about financial security to have a roof over our heads. That's the truth for most early to mid 20 somethings because I'm living it.
03-28-2012, 08:47 PM
#59
with the last several posts above me. I'm all for a V6, but only if it's some supercharged beast. If they're doing it for Economy & CAFE purposes.... forget it. Are we talking about a 325-400 HP V6 on the C7 platform that would sit under the base V8? Don't need it, don't want it! Throw in a cloth interior, AM/FM radio (with optional CD player!) and some steelies for wheels, and we've got a budget C7!
Just think.... you can have the Chevy Corvette name at Chevy Malibu/Impala prices! Look at the line forming around the block!
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03-28-2012, 09:46 PM
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Le Mans Master
