C7 vs 2012 Carrera S
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C7 vs 2012 Carrera S
Like everyone on the forum, I'm chomping at the bit to see the real C7, just hope the General comes through for us! As much as I love my C6, I can't wait to take NCM delivery of my new 2014 Vette!
In the meantime, the new 911 made it debut last month and has been getting smokin' good reviews.
It will be interesting to see how the new C7 fares against the new Carrera S on the Nurburgring/Nordschleife track. The 2012 Carrera S, with it's Dynamic chassis control and PASM sport suspension shaved over 14 seconds off it's predecessor's time. That's huge...
Hope GM is paying attention.
In the meantime, the new 911 made it debut last month and has been getting smokin' good reviews.
It will be interesting to see how the new C7 fares against the new Carrera S on the Nurburgring/Nordschleife track. The 2012 Carrera S, with it's Dynamic chassis control and PASM sport suspension shaved over 14 seconds off it's predecessor's time. That's huge...
Hope GM is paying attention.
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I hope it competes with/even surpasses the $97k Carrera S's overall performance as well (I almost know for sure that it will beat it handily in straight line acceleration) but even if it falls a little short it's still ok, that extra $40k+ in your pocket can buy A LOT of aftermarket upgrades LOL. 
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Porsche prices are out of this world. When you let off the throttle in a 911 going around a corner, the back end wants to go where the front end is. For a street car, you can't beat a vette C6/C7, at half the price of a Carrera S. To me it's a no brainer( I owned a 996TT I bought new drove for 5 years, replaced with an 08Z & never looked back. Now have a 2010 6 spd manual coupe with Lingenfelter forged bottom end Maggie supercharger package that to me is a fabulous street car that will blow the doors off a Carrera S & keep up with a Porsche Turbo & then some, again at half the price).
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I forgot to mention the Carrera S and C6 Z51 tied the Nordschleife at 7:59. That puts the 14 second improvement in perspective.
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There quite a bit of improvements between a 996 and a 991... Thinking it's the same old p car is being misinformed...just like thinking a p car cost more for parts than a vette...but I digress...0-60 on the pdk 991 is 3.9... I believe that's z06 times...not bad for 400hp!
The new interior is awesome and roomier than a 997... Should be a fun comparison when the c7 comes out...hopefully we see some interior refinements.
The new interior is awesome and roomier than a 997... Should be a fun comparison when the c7 comes out...hopefully we see some interior refinements.
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I hope it competes with/even surpasses the $97k Carrera S's overall performance as well (I almost know for sure that it will beat it handily in straight line acceleration) but even if it falls a little short it's still ok, that extra $40k+ in your pocket can buy A LOT of aftermarket upgrades LOL. With the extra $40k remaining after purchasing the brand new C7, I'd rather have Vette and go pay cash for a low mile '08 M3 Sedan to move the family around Monday through Thursday.
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There quite a bit of improvements between a 996 and a 991... Thinking it's the same old p car is being misinformed...just like thinking a p car cost more for parts than a vette...but I digress...0-60 on the pdk 991 is 3.9... I believe that's z06 times...not bad for 400hp!
The new interior is awesome and roomier than a 997... Should be a fun comparison when the c7 comes out...hopefully we see some interior refinements.
The new interior is awesome and roomier than a 997... Should be a fun comparison when the c7 comes out...hopefully we see some interior refinements.
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For the first time in decades I've been considering a 911s (w. Pdk) over a Vette.
Never a fan of 911s but latest is quite impressive.
Probably won't but have been considering which is a first
Never a fan of 911s but latest is quite impressive.
Probably won't but have been considering which is a first
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Mirage is right, the 991 configuration is a dramatic improvement in the 911's handling capabilities. The back end is no longer skitish in the corners.
Test drive one and see for yourself...
Test drive one and see for yourself...
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I agree that the 991 is a lot better in just about every way than previous editions. I'm a lifelong vette junkie & am presently on my 8th & 9th( an 06 C6/A6/F55 & a 2010 6spd manual GS coupe, both bought new & both Maggie supercharged by Lingenfelter). That said, I like many others, are disappointed that GM has not offered a PDK like Porsche or DCT like BMW. I understand the engineering costs may have been too high to make tranny change midway thru C6 production, but they better offer a dual clutch type tranny in the C7 with instant right now gear changes like the PDK/DCT, or risk losing long time vette enthusiasts to Porsche/BMW( like me who has had 2 M3's, one Dinan supercharged & a 996 TT). I would still keep my 2010 manual GS, but for my other daily driver with an auto type tranny, I will likely go to a new M3/4 in a few years if GM does not offer a dual clutch type tranny in the C7. The vette junkies at GM know this I'm certain, it only remains to be seen whether they were successful in making the business case for a dual clutch, or we will be stuck with an 8 speed auto for instance, that they can also use in a pickup, tahoe, caddy, etc.
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That said, I like many others, are disappointed that GM has not offered a PDK like Porsche or DCT like BMW. I understand the engineering costs may have been too high to make tranny change midway thru C6 production, but they better offer a dual clutch type tranny in the C7 with instant right now gear changes like the PDK/DCT, or risk losing long time vette enthusiasts to Porsche/BMW( like me who has had 2 M3's, one Dinan supercharged & a 996 TT). I would still keep my 2010 manual GS, but for my other daily driver with an auto type tranny, I will likely go to a new M3/4 in a few years if GM does not offer a dual clutch type tranny in the C7. The vette junkies at GM know this I'm certain, it only remains to be seen whether they were successful in making the business case for a dual clutch, or we will be stuck with an 8 speed auto for instance, that they can also use in a pickup, tahoe, caddy, etc.
But even if it doesn't happen, those cost cutting/'parts sharing' factors you'd mentioned are ALSO the very same reasons why this mere $50k-$55k car will still generate loads of fun/thrills and even still be able to hang with (and in many cases BEAT) that $97k+ Porsche as well.
We can't always have it both ways unfortunately.
Also, just because it doesn't happen at the C7's introduction it could still come later on as well.
As we all know, the 2005 C6 had a 4 speed automatic (4L65E) and then for 2006 they introduced the brand new 6 speed auto (6L80) which has turned out to be an excellent 1/4 mile performer (10s with just bolt ons) in my car. 
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The new 991 is very nice with some great improvements. I really like the PDK trans it shifts very quick. I had a 997.2S which I really did not like but the new 991 might be worth another look. I also am looking at the new GTRs which MT just tested and ran a 0 to 60 in 2.8 which is crazy quick. The C7 Z06 will really need to push the envelope.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ition_arrival/
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ition_arrival/
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Expecting any Corvette to keep up with a GTR's or the Porsche's times in the near future WITHOUT AWD is just wishful thinking. With it, the Corvette with continue to move forward in performance. Without it, the Corvette just won't be able to put down the great power it can develop.
This just in...Porsche is recalling 1,232 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S coupes because the fuel line may become disconnected, increasing the risk of a fire.
This just in...Porsche is recalling 1,232 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S coupes because the fuel line may become disconnected, increasing the risk of a fire.
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But the way you're saying it it almost sounds as if the C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1 are light years behind the Nissan simply because they don't have AWD and that part is just not true.
Track numbers don't lie, a Z06 is 'nearly' as quick as even a 2012/2013 Nissan GTR and the ZR1 is quicker than it. And both the Z06 and ZR1 have higher trap speeds.
A base Corvette is a different story.
And from a dead stop on the street it's also a different story.
The same AWD that aids the Nissan so much from a dig can actually hurt it at loftier highway speeds over the RWD Corvettes as well.
Not the 911 Carrera or 911 Carrera S I hope LOL.
The 'slowest' current Corvette is capable of an 11.7 second 1/4 mile ET at almost 120mph and tops out at roughly 190mph in bone stock trim.
The base C7 will likely be quicker/faster than the base C6.
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