4xxhp will not be enough
06-01-2012, 06:29 PM
#1
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
4xxhp will not be enough
Anyone else concerned about the c7 potential power output now that the gt500 has 600rwhp? Its a 55k msrp car that sure is a pig but has imo a better interior and is faster than a gs/c6 in the straight line. I know the corvette isnt a drag car but lets be real day to day straight line acceleration is what we usually get atleat here in texas. When i first heard the c7 will have a smaller motor and put out a marginal bump in power i wasnt concerned but now that the gt500 is directly competing and exceeding the c6 i sure hope chevy gives it a minimum of 540-570hp and gives us a cf driveshaft like the gt500 has.
06-01-2012, 06:55 PM
#2
Melting Slicks
Anyone else concerned about the c7 potential power output now that the gt500 has 600rwhp? Its a 55k msrp car that sure is a pig but has imo a better interior and is faster than a gs/c6 in the straight line. I know the corvette isnt a drag car but lets be real day to day straight line acceleration is what we usually get atleat here in texas. When i first heard the c7 will have a smaller motor and put out a marginal bump in power i wasnt concerned but now that the gt500 is directly competing and exceeding the c6 i sure hope chevy gives it a minimum of 540-570hp and gives us a cf driveshaft like the gt500 has.
06-01-2012, 07:03 PM
#3
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
If you think c6 buyers dont cross shop the gt500 you are wrong. There are numerous posts here and on their forums that state otherwise. 99% of these cars dont see the track. They are for the street and the gt500 is the better street car at the moment. It is measureably better in my opinion. But the comparison isnt really fair at the moment. When the c7 debuts and is under 460-470hp it will be the slower street car. If that isnt a concern to you then we are different buyers.
06-01-2012, 07:17 PM
#4
Melting Slicks
If you think c6 buyers dont cross shop the gt500 you are wrong. There are numerous posts here and on their forums that state otherwise. 99% of these cars dont see the track. They are for the street and the gt500 is the better street car at the moment. It is measureably better in my opinion. But the comparison isnt really fair at the moment. When the c7 debuts and is under 460-470hp it will be the slower street car. If that isnt a concern to you then we are different buyers.
06-01-2012, 07:20 PM
#5
Burning Brakes
That is just one of the reasons I am keeping my 09 Z06, Not to mention the Jalopnik recent photos ( if real ) dont do much for me.
I am keeping in mind that the first c7 will of course be a base model corvette, but it should still be at a minimum of 500 H.P.
My opinion of course.
I am keeping in mind that the first c7 will of course be a base model corvette, but it should still be at a minimum of 500 H.P.
My opinion of course.
06-01-2012, 07:21 PM
#6
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Numbers are one thing, but an experience is something entirely different. For every person who is willing to trade their Corvette for a GT500, there are two or three who wouldn't trade their Corvette for the world. Measurably, I'm sure it is better. There are many cars in the world with more horsepower than the Corvette. But are they actually better? In my book, not even close.
06-01-2012, 07:23 PM
#7
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
That is just one of the reasons I am keeping my 09 Z06, Not to mention the Jalopnik recent photos ( if real ) dont do much for me.
I am keeping in mind that the first c7 will of course be a base model corvette, but it should still be at a minimum of 500 H.P.
My opinion of course.
I am keeping in mind that the first c7 will of course be a base model corvette, but it should still be at a minimum of 500 H.P.
My opinion of course.
06-01-2012, 07:24 PM
#8
Le Mans Master
Reality is:
C7 base to compete with Mustang GT or Boss
Top dog C7 will compete with top dog of other brands. I'm sure a next level or even two of the C7 will come but not in the 1st year.
C7 base to compete with Mustang GT or Boss
Top dog C7 will compete with top dog of other brands. I'm sure a next level or even two of the C7 will come but not in the 1st year.
06-01-2012, 07:27 PM
#9
Melting Slicks
You can bet the "base" C7 Corvette will have more power. I think 500 is a bit of a stretch, but it will be more than the 430 (or 436) we see today. You will be disappointed if you expect too much power though. Remember, not only will they probably add more power, but they have to make significant improvements in the interior, and still keep the price from straying away from the common man.
06-01-2012, 07:40 PM
#10
Uh, have you sat in a modern Mustang? The C6 interior is nothing special but the Mustang's is worse. Tons of hard plastic that sound/feel 'hollow. At least the C6 feels and sounds solid with a softer vinyl/rubber material. I'm surprised the magazines aren't all over the poor interior on the Mustangs like they were about the C6.
The Boss 302 I rode in did have good seats though. Recaros I believe.
The Boss 302 I rode in did have good seats though. Recaros I believe.
06-01-2012, 08:05 PM
#11
Rumorville has it the gt500 posted a faster LS time than the z06. But I'm in agreement. 4xx only if the car weighs in at 3,001 or less. Otherwise it needs over 500. For the performance enthusiasts, I seriously think they would cross shop if the corvette is 200 hp less than a car thats 10k cheaper!
06-01-2012, 08:24 PM
#12
Very doubtful. It'll be very competitive with a ZL1, but it won't touch a Z06. The Z06 was tested among the world's best at LS and came out ahead. It beat the Boss 302 by nearly 7 seconds in this comparison. I don't think the GT500's power (but extra weight) can make up that gap.
06-01-2012, 08:28 PM
#13
Le Mans Master
Anyone else concerned about the c7 potential power output now that the gt500 has 600rwhp? Its a 55k msrp car that sure is a pig but has imo a better interior and is faster than a gs/c6 in the straight line. I know the corvette isnt a drag car but lets be real day to day straight line acceleration is what we usually get atleat here in texas. When i first heard the c7 will have a smaller motor and put out a marginal bump in power i wasnt concerned but now that the gt500 is directly competing and exceeding the c6 i sure hope chevy gives it a minimum of 540-570hp and gives us a cf driveshaft like the gt500 has.
If you want a Mustang, go buy one!
06-01-2012, 08:59 PM
#14
Very doubtful. It'll be very competitive with a ZL1, but it won't touch a Z06. The Z06 was tested among the world's best at LS and came out ahead. It beat the Boss 302 by nearly 7 seconds in this comparison. I don't think the GT500's power (but extra weight) can make up that gap.
06-01-2012, 09:03 PM
#15
Team Owner
Very doubtful. It'll be very competitive with a ZL1, but it won't touch a Z06. The Z06 was tested among the world's best at LS and came out ahead. It beat the Boss 302 by nearly 7 seconds in this comparison. I don't think the GT500's power (but extra weight) can make up that gap.
06-01-2012, 09:14 PM
#16
Le Mans Master
Must have over 500hp? You guys are going to be disappointed. And despite your proclamations of DOOM, C7 will still be a great car that people will buy.
Remember 2003, when the Mustang Cobra threatened C5? People proclaimed DOOM if C6 came with less than 430hp, most clamoring for 450. DOOM didn't happen. This story repeats itself with every new performance variant of the Mustang. Yawn.
If there's a high-end limited-volume sharpened version of the Mustang that can outrun a base Corvette but costs nearly as much, I'm okay with that. It's no different than the guys who buy 911s even though a Corvette outruns them. If you cannot appreciate the subjective and qualitative benefits of the Corvette over a hotrodded Mustang, then you should absolutely buy the Mustang and feel no shame in doing so. It's a hell of a machine.
This notion that Corvette must objectively outperform everything else in every stopwatch contest is actually part of the problem that prevents Corvette from becoming a better sports car. I don't think Corvette should be the absolute most-extreme sacrifice-everything-for-numbers machine extant. I think it deserves to be better than that.
.Jinx
Remember 2003, when the Mustang Cobra threatened C5? People proclaimed DOOM if C6 came with less than 430hp, most clamoring for 450. DOOM didn't happen. This story repeats itself with every new performance variant of the Mustang. Yawn.
If there's a high-end limited-volume sharpened version of the Mustang that can outrun a base Corvette but costs nearly as much, I'm okay with that. It's no different than the guys who buy 911s even though a Corvette outruns them. If you cannot appreciate the subjective and qualitative benefits of the Corvette over a hotrodded Mustang, then you should absolutely buy the Mustang and feel no shame in doing so. It's a hell of a machine.
This notion that Corvette must objectively outperform everything else in every stopwatch contest is actually part of the problem that prevents Corvette from becoming a better sports car. I don't think Corvette should be the absolute most-extreme sacrifice-everything-for-numbers machine extant. I think it deserves to be better than that.
.Jinx
06-01-2012, 09:22 PM
#17
Melting Slicks
Must have over 500hp? You guys are going to be disappointed. And despite your proclamations of DOOM, C7 will still be a great car that people will buy.
Remember 2003, when the Mustang Cobra threatened C5? People proclaimed DOOM if C6 came with less than 430hp, most clamoring for 450. DOOM didn't happen. This story repeats itself with every new performance variant of the Mustang. Yawn.
If there's a high-end limited-volume sharpened version of the Mustang that can outrun a base Corvette but costs nearly as much, I'm okay with that. It's no different than the guys who buy 911s even though a Corvette outruns them. If you cannot appreciate the subjective and qualitative benefits of the Corvette over a hotrodded Mustang, then you should absolutely buy the Mustang and feel no shame in doing so. It's a hell of a machine.
This notion that Corvette must objectively outperform everything else in every stopwatch contest is actually part of the problem that prevents Corvette from becoming a better sports car. I don't think Corvette should be the absolute most-extreme sacrifice-everything-for-numbers machine extant. I think it deserves to be better than that.
.Jinx
Remember 2003, when the Mustang Cobra threatened C5? People proclaimed DOOM if C6 came with less than 430hp, most clamoring for 450. DOOM didn't happen. This story repeats itself with every new performance variant of the Mustang. Yawn.
If there's a high-end limited-volume sharpened version of the Mustang that can outrun a base Corvette but costs nearly as much, I'm okay with that. It's no different than the guys who buy 911s even though a Corvette outruns them. If you cannot appreciate the subjective and qualitative benefits of the Corvette over a hotrodded Mustang, then you should absolutely buy the Mustang and feel no shame in doing so. It's a hell of a machine.
This notion that Corvette must objectively outperform everything else in every stopwatch contest is actually part of the problem that prevents Corvette from becoming a better sports car. I don't think Corvette should be the absolute most-extreme sacrifice-everything-for-numbers machine extant. I think it deserves to be better than that.
.Jinx
06-01-2012, 10:00 PM
#18
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Wasnt the base c6 objectively faster than the cobra? That wont be true this time.
Must have over 500hp? You guys are going to be disappointed. And despite your proclamations of DOOM, C7 will still be a great car that people will buy.
Remember 2003, when the Mustang Cobra threatened C5? People proclaimed DOOM if C6 came with less than 430hp, most clamoring for 450. DOOM didn't happen. This story repeats itself with every new performance variant of the Mustang. Yawn.
If there's a high-end limited-volume sharpened version of the Mustang that can outrun a base Corvette but costs nearly as much, I'm okay with that. It's no different than the guys who buy 911s even though a Corvette outruns them. If you cannot appreciate the subjective and qualitative benefits of the Corvette over a hotrodded Mustang, then you should absolutely buy the Mustang and feel no shame in doing so. It's a hell of a machine.
This notion that Corvette must objectively outperform everything else in every stopwatch contest is actually part of the problem that prevents Corvette from becoming a better sports car. I don't think Corvette should be the absolute most-extreme sacrifice-everything-for-numbers machine extant. I think it deserves to be better than that.
.Jinx
Remember 2003, when the Mustang Cobra threatened C5? People proclaimed DOOM if C6 came with less than 430hp, most clamoring for 450. DOOM didn't happen. This story repeats itself with every new performance variant of the Mustang. Yawn.
If there's a high-end limited-volume sharpened version of the Mustang that can outrun a base Corvette but costs nearly as much, I'm okay with that. It's no different than the guys who buy 911s even though a Corvette outruns them. If you cannot appreciate the subjective and qualitative benefits of the Corvette over a hotrodded Mustang, then you should absolutely buy the Mustang and feel no shame in doing so. It's a hell of a machine.
This notion that Corvette must objectively outperform everything else in every stopwatch contest is actually part of the problem that prevents Corvette from becoming a better sports car. I don't think Corvette should be the absolute most-extreme sacrifice-everything-for-numbers machine extant. I think it deserves to be better than that.
.Jinx
06-01-2012, 10:03 PM
#19
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Hand wringing? 600rwhp is 600rwhp. I dont worry about something until its validated. Thats a big number attached to a decent car at a sharp price. Im sure gm execs are the ones doing the hand wringing. Im just saying what i feel to be true. Id rather buy a vette that isnt slower than a mustang tbh.
06-01-2012, 10:07 PM
#20
Team Owner
The only facts about the C7 are
1)smaller motor
2) different body then the c6
3) lighter car.
I happen to think a 650 HP Mustang is great!!I was going to actually wait and see what they look like are do on the road,but I got impatient!I'm a half a car guy most of the time and I love these "horsepower wars"!!!580 ZL1,650 MUSTANG,470 CHALLENGER...bring it on!The weight of the Stang will be overcome by all that power,make no mistake about it.It is designed to handle better too.I think the C7 will be in the 480 range for HP with the car at maybe 3000 even for weight.It's all good no matter what it is.I can't use the 436 I have now!!!
1)smaller motor
2) different body then the c6
3) lighter car.
I happen to think a 650 HP Mustang is great!!I was going to actually wait and see what they look like are do on the road,but I got impatient!I'm a half a car guy most of the time and I love these "horsepower wars"!!!580 ZL1,650 MUSTANG,470 CHALLENGER...bring it on!The weight of the Stang will be overcome by all that power,make no mistake about it.It is designed to handle better too.I think the C7 will be in the 480 range for HP with the car at maybe 3000 even for weight.It's all good no matter what it is.I can't use the 436 I have now!!!