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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 06:26 PM
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So at some point the covers have to come off for some real world high speed testing. Any one have ideas (as far as history has shown) when and where we may see this happen?
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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 06:41 PM
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Blue Ox believes they are doing high speed testing at a Army base. Sounds reasonable. I'm sure he will chime in later.
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Blue Ox believes they are doing high speed testing at a Army base. Sounds reasonable. I'm sure he will chime in later.
Yea since the government bailed out GM I guess they figure they still own shares. They should call it Area 51 Motors...lol I'm speaking tounge in cheek of course. Somebody find these things and get us some pics!!!
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GM has it's own track and there is a huge private track in Ohio that is rented out just for these reasons. I think it is something like 7.5 miles long(oval) with really high banking. TRANSPORTATION RESEARCH CENTER INC.

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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 08:06 PM
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I'm surprised you guys didn't know about this...I'm pretty sure they can go any speed they want here. BTW, there is protected air space above this facility.

GM testing grounds shared with U.S. Army near Yuma...
The General Motors Desert Proving Ground - Yuma was officially opened at the proving ground in late July 2009. Costing over $100 million, General Motors built the facility after closing its desert automotive test facility in Mesa, Arizona, that had been in operation since 1953. The new facility is a partnership between General Motors and the Army that allows Army automotive testers at the proving ground to test Army wheeled vehicles at the General Motors facility on a year-round basis. It is estimated that the track can be used to test about 80 percent of the Army's wheeled vehicle fleet.
Just to be clear, the long-term ground lease was executed by GM and the Army in May 2007.
http://www.ncppp.org/cases/YumaProvingGrounds.shtml

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and now GM has real security to keep those pesky reporters out
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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueOx
I'm surprised you guys didn't know about this...I'm pretty sure they can go any speed they want here. BTW, there is protected air space above this facility.

GM testing grounds shared with U.S. Army near Yuma...
Whoa. Those are some impressive tracks! Check it out on Google Earth.
32° 55′ 11.35″ N, 114° 19′ 24.12″ W

You can copy and paste the entire location string into the search bar.


I did some quick measurements using the ruler tools in G.E. Looks like a 3.5 mile circumference circle, multiple 1.5 mile straights on an oval layout, and the longest straight gives them about 2 miles to play with.

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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 10:37 PM
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Great no chance of getting any pictures out of that place. I'll say it again maybe instead of GM it should be A-51-M (Area 51 Motors). Another great government waste on a to big to fail company that now has record profits. But I still love Corvettes!
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The test tracks in Milford, Michigan are even more impressive:
42°35'00.80" N 83°40'41.16" W

2.5 mile straights and a 4.5 mile circle.

By the way, details on all GM proving grounds are on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...roving_Grounds

When will I learn to just go there first?
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If y'all read the attached on my earlier post there are a ton of details about how this all happened (2007) and what the measurements are. It also talks about how it helps both GM and the Army.
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Originally Posted by BlueOx
If y'all read the attached on my earlier post there are a ton of details about how this all happened (2007) and what the measurements are. It also talks about how it helps both GM and the Army.
I've been wondering for the past 50 years where the Army was going to run their Jeeps at 200 MPH. Now I know.



2,400' radius corners and 2 mile long straights. 140 MPH netural steering in the Corners. That is high speed testing and it's not on an Army base.

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Old Oct 14, 2012 | 12:56 AM
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WOW...those proving grounds aerial photos are sick! The Michigan ones are nice...but being in the desert makes it so...Area 51'ish...makes you wanna infiltrate the compound!
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Old Oct 14, 2012 | 06:07 PM
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I wonder if we could start a donation for a TBM (tunnel boring machine) and secretly make our way to the proving grounds....just a thought
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Old Oct 14, 2012 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
I've been wondering for the past 50 years where the Army was going to run their Jeeps at 200 MPH. Now I know.
2,400' radius corners and 2 mile long straights. 140 MPH netural steering in the Corners. That is high speed testing and it's not on an Army base.
It isn't usable for high speed testing in the winter and doesn't have a secured air space around it, I'll bet.

It is important for the military to have a high-speed, high-load, high-temp testing mechanism for its military transport and wheeled combat vehicles that routinely operate under high weight, temperatures, and speeds. Although YPG was the Army's premiere hot weather test site, it lacked a sufficiently specialized facility to conduct continuous high speed testing on paved roads.

I can tell you this...the actual speed for some military vehicles is far higher than their published speeds.

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Ox, every time I look at your new avatar I have to chuckle. It reminds me soooooooo much of the costume my ex wife wore one year.
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Ox, every time I look at your new avatar I have to chuckle. It reminds me soooooooo much of the costume my ex wife wore one year.
Well, it is a woman...I did some PShopping so if she wasn't blue in her costume, maybe it could be her?
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That would be funny .............
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That would be funny .............
That would be weird...I think you would recognize her though. I didn't change it that much.
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Originally Posted by BlueOx
I'm surprised you guys didn't know about this...I'm pretty sure they can go any speed they want here. BTW, there is protected air space above this facility.

GM testing grounds shared with U.S. Army near Yuma...


Just to be clear, the long-term ground lease was executed by GM and the Army in May 2007.
http://www.ncppp.org/cases/YumaProvingGrounds.shtml
good grief! Id love to see someone hold a slide around the entire circular track (must be close to 3/4 of a mile in diameter) - its like a skid pad on steroids
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