ctusser

320bhp is night and day apart from 450+
You're picking it apart on a speculative peak power number. The engine is still in development and may produce more, and is just a cross platform base V8. You have no idea how fast the actual car will be. What do you expect to see out of a base model vette?

Unsprung

There's a decent bump under the curve, as-is. And Chevrolet has indicated that final hp / tq figures may be somewhat higher.

Also... just wait for EPA fuel economy ratings: it's possible that no internal-combustion performance car will be able to touch the balance of power and efficiency in the C7.

We're fortunate that Corvette engineers and product people are able to share partial data with us during the wrap-up phase of their work.

Sharing early is fun! We can give the Corvette team the benefit of the doubt, until final figures and on-track numbers are locked in.

SK360

I love when people try to compare peak HP to peak HP trying to judge what car is quicker/faster, as if that is the only factor.

LS1LT1

Do keep in mind that prior to the final power numbers of the 2013 Mustang GT500 being released, there was talk of the new car making around 620 or 630hp.

Then at some point someone said it's actually going to be 650hp/620tq.

The final numbers ended up being 662hp/631tq (and some dynos have shown those to actually be a little underrated ).


Not likely, but there is still a solid chance that a base 2014 Corvette LT1 could be rated as high as 480hp (or perhaps some 'Grand Sport style', increased oil capacity, manual trans only version of it will?).

I'm guessing it will more likely be rated at around 465hp/465tq when the final numbers are tallied up, maybe 470/470 with an optional NPP exhaust in 'open' mode.

4indog

I agree with Deyanko - 450 ain't enough beans for the buck in today's market. Considering what i've seen, the restyling is a yawn and at that HP the weight would have to come down to 2,600 lbs. to provide my fix (08-10 Viper level). No, as they say - you got to know when to walk away and when to run. In my opinion, there's better performance vs. value options in hot rodding an LS motor.

Telepierre

And the comedy of the absurd continues:

Luxury sport market:

911 gives you 350HP for 74750
Base Ferrari gives you 562HP for 208000
Base Audi R8 gives you 430HP for 118000
Base Austin gives you 420 for 117000

The list continues with the same trend...but I guess it comes down to spelling bang and buck correctly...

RocketGuy3

You don't make the higher end model look better by limiting the lower end model. That's something I thought GM knew, too. Theirs and other value priced domestic performance models of late had a base model that had comparable performance to the previous generation's higher end models. V6 Stang and Camaro with 300+ hp, V8s with 400+, etc. So I was expecting something a little closer to the LS7's output with the LT1.

I'm not crazy, though. I realize power can't increase by that much forever, but I still expected something a bit higher than 450.


Again, what is your point? So because the car I own has 320 hp, I have no right to desire more than 450 hp in my next car?


And again, I fully understand that these numbers aren't final. That's why I prefaced everything I said in this thread in my first post by saying I'll wait until final specs are released, but IF these are the final specs, I for one am going to be pretty disappointed.

SK360

The C7 is also a ton lighter then your Lexus. I don't understand why people can't understand this. The car as a whole package is more then just a peak HP number.

2K3Z06

450 HP 10,15,20 years ago was awesome. By todays standards, not so much. 600HP mustangs, vipers, even camaro's close to 600HP. Not to mention the 700HP beast from AMG.

Hardly seems worth the effort and cost of redisgning and retooling for 450 HP. I was expecting around 480HP, a little less than a 50HP bump. I mean hell, why didn't they just put a K&N filter on a LS3, 450 HP right there.

Everyone keeps posting how 450HP will be fine, in the new "Lightweight C7". Don't count on it. My guess it will weigh at least 3100# probably closer to 3200#.

IF Ferrari can get 562HP out of a 4.5L, GM should be able to get 500HP out of a 6.2L.

LS1LT1

More like $82k+ actually, over $96k+ if ya want 400hp.

SK360

Seriously? Do you know anything about motors? Look at the damned torque curve and tell me a K&N on an LS3 would match that. IT WOULDN'T.

WOW 3100-3200lbs? You realize that's still 600-1000lbs lighter then every car you listed above.

That ferrari motor also costs as much as the C7 will cost and won't go 200,000 miles with gasoline and oil changes.

2K3Z06

The R8 and Astin Martin were designed about 7 or 8years ago, which back then 400+Hp was good.

The Porsche is a 3.6L 6 cylinder, almost half the size of the Vette engine.

GM did just enough to get by, not hit a home run by any measure. After 60 years of small block V8 engines and they boost output by 14 HP. just seems lame.

2K3Z06

600 to 1000 lbs. lighter. No ****ing way. The 458 weighs 3062 LBS

Viper weighs 3300#

Everyone seems to think the vette weighs the same as a Miata..... It doesn't.

B-Myster

Considering this release was deemed the new motor for the C7, I am also a bit disappointed with the initial estimate of 450hp. Purely from a marketing point of view and creating a buzz for the next generation of the Vette, 450hp doesn't get me that excited.

I will get over my disappointment if the C7 comes in at 3,000lbs and/or all the magazine jockeys are able to run it down the qtr mile in the 11's.

JSBJohn

Not disappointed at all with the LT1, I believe it will be higher than the 450/450 estimated output but then again 450/450 is a good starting place. They aren't trying to sell you on hp #'s on this one, if that's what you want go buy the GT500.

This corvette is a technologically advanced driving machine that will outdo BMW and Mercedes. The +50torque under the curve from 2000-4000 rpm is something you will notice right away compared to peak hp gains. The crankshaft is forged and it has direct fuel injection making F/I a viable option for the basemodel (and probably will come F/I in the C7 Z06). It will probably get 30+mpg on the highway being that my C6 gets 28-31mpg in 6th gear at 70-75 mph (this C7 will have a 7th gear). AFM if done correctly will work seemlessly and efficiently which I doubt GM is going to let that ruin their flagship car.

This C7 will be considerably faster, more technologically advanced, and more efficient than the current C6's, the only concern I have is if GM can keep this car at the same price point that it was for the C6 generation. If it has a starting price of more than $60,000 for the basemodel, count me out until some used ones start hitting the market a year or two after the launch.

Jp23rockstar

I think only vette fans care about hp, you don't see Porsche die hards complaining about hp. If your disappointed of the hp, wait for the lt4 supercharged 2015 model yr, but the base model has to stay relatively the same in price as the c6, you don't expect Chevy to alienate 80% of the buyers. The base model will crush the competition against all competitors (BMW m3, Porsche 911). The Shelby gt500 is not a competitor, neither is the camaro zl1, gtr, viper, Ferrari, lamborghini, the lt4 and hot rod motor (2016) are competiors of those cars not the lt1.

RocketGuy3

First of all, why the continuous comparisons to my car? What on earth does what I drive right now have to do with the price of tea in Quebec?

Secondly, car weight is independent of motor power output. It's not like making improvements to one precludes them from making improvements to the other. Although if the car is significantly lighter (which I doubt) without having made any major sacrifices, I may be happy even with 450... And/or even if the engine is more efficient than they're letting on.

Finally, again, as I've said, I KNOW the Corvette is still going to be very fast and be able to outrun many of the cars I'm comparing it to thanks to other advantages it will have. I KNOW that hp is only one part of a large package that impacts performance. The point still stands. 450 hp is not very impressive all things considered. On paper, it looks mediocre compared to many other less expensive cars that have already been on the market for a few years, and it's impossible to shake the feeling that they could have done better given the tech they're using and the time they had.


That's because they have to pay $1000 per extra hp they get. People buy Porsches for the badge and the prestige as much as (if not more than) they do for performance. So that's an irrelevant comparison.

So that's an irrelevant comparison. Ask Mustang, Camaro, or SRT guys if they care about HP...

SK360

Ok well it's obviously not worth the breath to explain to mouthbreaters that know nothing about the platform in general. Keep crying its only "+14hp".

I can't wait for the car to actually come out and end the whining.

SK360

If HP and peak numbers means everything we should just all buy turbo diesels... Couple mods and they will dyno 6-1000hp and well into the quad digits for torque

That would make a nice shiny chrome badge for you guys.

DRC

Oh God, must we go thru this?

The release said 450 HP @ 6000 rpm's, said fuel shut off at 6,600 rpm's. So, simple math will bring you close to a 500 number at 6,600 rpm's.

Read between the lines so to speak. Look at the torque curve / range. And, this is the base car, there are many buyers who do not need or want 600 + HP.

The actual number I am sure will mean little since once you get in this car and nail it for all it's worth it will be fine.

Do you really think GM would spend 5 years and a gazillion dollars to make a slug?