7:21:57 ring time for C7
Melting Slicks
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Com'on guys, get real. This isn't a marketing picture, there is no messaging or showboating here. Its a page for the booklet in draft form.
I doubt the C7s have even around the Nurburgring. There have been zero C7s photographed on the Nurburgring and EVERYTHING gets photoed there.
Drifting
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As Jawnathan said, if it was there and tested, we would have seen it already. Besides, what your saying is the preproduction model has already turned that time? That means nothing. They arn't going to release it and say "It turned this time at the ring!" Everyone wants to see a production ready model, off the showroom floor if possible, go there and run. Heck there are fully video documented laptimes that have been called into question. You think anyone's going to take a preproduction models time serious?
That and if you think it'll surpass the z07 I'm calling that a crazy statement now. With it's myriad of changes it might get close, but to say it's gonna be down(realistically) about 30hp, possibly weigh the same, and not have brakes remotely comparable to the z07(nothing close seen on any of the test mules) and run a quicker time is nuts.
Unless it's got an ACR size wing, 6" splitter, and only one seat that is. But I think it's a given that's not happening on a base vette.
That and if you think it'll surpass the z07 I'm calling that a crazy statement now. With it's myriad of changes it might get close, but to say it's gonna be down(realistically) about 30hp, possibly weigh the same, and not have brakes remotely comparable to the z07(nothing close seen on any of the test mules) and run a quicker time is nuts.
Unless it's got an ACR size wing, 6" splitter, and only one seat that is. But I think it's a given that's not happening on a base vette.
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I had no idea the ZO6 with CCB was that close to the ZR1 time. Seems that on a road course the good brakes and lighter weight are helping the ZO6 more than the over 20% more hp is doing for the ZR1.
At the rate of your comparison between a sport optioned C7 and a ZO6 becoming a drivers race, IMO shows how much more advancements in weight, aerodynamics and brakes can do for a car with considerable less power.
At the rate of your comparison between a sport optioned C7 and a ZO6 becoming a drivers race, IMO shows how much more advancements in weight, aerodynamics and brakes can do for a car with considerable less power.
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Time of 2006 Z06 is at least doable. Porsche e.g. has improved the chassis so much every time new 911 comes that new C2S beats older GT3 time. Of course HP ratings of GT3 vs C2s are much closer than what Z06 and Z51 are. Together with suspension improvements C7 will have very fast automatic and that will improve the time also.
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Melting Slicks
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The 2012 ZR1 with PDE did a 7:19.63 and the 2012 ZO6 with the same cup tire option package did a 7:22.68. Both cars ran it on the same trip. There's a excellent video with Jim Mero and Jeff Mosher talking about both of those runs. Jeff talks about segment time analysis and how to find speed. Also discussed how Porsche uses segmented times and doesn't deny it.
http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2012/...e-nurburgring/
http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2012/...e-nurburgring/
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I think more important reference than Z06 times is the time of 7:37.9, the time of 991 Carrera S 
At least C7 has the power advantage.(450 vs.400) I do not know what you mean by segmented, lap of 991 S is here :
At least C7 has the power advantage.(450 vs.400) I do not know what you mean by segmented, lap of 991 S is here :
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Let's say it's a real time for a C7 Z51 with Cup tires.
Yawn.
The 2012 Z06+Z07 did 7:22.68. C7 is a new chassis. C6 was developed in the pre-Nurburgring era -- it's only the last few years that those lap times have become such a powerful marketing tool. C7 is surely the subject of myriad little (and perhaps not-so-little) tweaks to improve it both in the real world and the subset known as the 'Ring. The power curve of the LT1 isn't so far off the Z06, it's got a new transmission with an extra gear that may keep it nearer the peak of its powerband over a 'Ring run, it's surely more aerodynamic, it may be lighter. It's not such a stretch.
Nurburgring lap times have improved dramatically in the past decade. Is that because manufacturers' cars are getting that much better? Or is it just because manufacturers are getting that much better at the 'Ring?
.Jinx
Yawn.
The 2012 Z06+Z07 did 7:22.68. C7 is a new chassis. C6 was developed in the pre-Nurburgring era -- it's only the last few years that those lap times have become such a powerful marketing tool. C7 is surely the subject of myriad little (and perhaps not-so-little) tweaks to improve it both in the real world and the subset known as the 'Ring. The power curve of the LT1 isn't so far off the Z06, it's got a new transmission with an extra gear that may keep it nearer the peak of its powerband over a 'Ring run, it's surely more aerodynamic, it may be lighter. It's not such a stretch.
Nurburgring lap times have improved dramatically in the past decade. Is that because manufacturers' cars are getting that much better? Or is it just because manufacturers are getting that much better at the 'Ring?
.Jinx
As to lap times, hp is huge on the ring and tires as well while the gearing wont be much of a factor. Unless the output of the C7 is well and truly above expectation it will fall well short of the Z's time considering we already know it will be sporting less tire.
Melting Slicks
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I think more important reference than Z06 times is the time of 7:37.9, the time of 991 Carrera S At least C7 has the power advantage.(450 vs.400) I do not know what you mean by segmented, lap of 991 S is here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnSpVN0-wio
At least C7 has the power advantage.(450 vs.400) I do not know what you mean by segmented, lap of 991 S is here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnSpVN0-wiohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eife_lap_times
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Burning Brakes
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This is not correct. I still have the DVD from my 05 C6 with tons of footage from the ring where much testing was done. More, at the time we were all well aware of the ring and the lap times thrown down there were often discussed and in no way less so than they are today.
As to lap times, hp is huge on the ring and tires as well while the gearing wont be much of a factor. Unless the output of the C7 is well and truly above expectation it will fall well short of the Z's time considering we already know it will be sporting less tire.
As to lap times, hp is huge on the ring and tires as well while the gearing wont be much of a factor. Unless the output of the C7 is well and truly above expectation it will fall well short of the Z's time considering we already know it will be sporting less tire.
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I was surprised to see that Porsche actually video verified the 911-991 at the ring. In the last few years they have given estimated times. If you look at the Nurburgring Nordschliefe records you will see numerous even digit times put out by Porsche on the list. On the Bridge to Gantry web site, they disallowed the 7:18.00 time for the GT2 RS because it was not video verified. Take a look at the list on Wikipedia which seems to be the most accurate. You will find that Porsche typically has even rounded off times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eife_lap_times
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eife_lap_times
This new 911 has a couple of thing that help it cut some seconds in its lap time; PDK (dual clutch trans is super quick, Torque Vectoring Plus and the PDCC.
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The one thing against the Base C7 putting a super quick lap time are its shocks.
The C7 can't put a super quick lap time with regular non adjustable shock absorbers it needs the Magnetic shocks.
At the Ring you need shocks that adjust instantenous to the elevation changes and bumps so you need tigh body control that the Magnetic brings.
Regular shocks would get overwhelm in this track.
The C7 can't put a super quick lap time with regular non adjustable shock absorbers it needs the Magnetic shocks.
At the Ring you need shocks that adjust instantenous to the elevation changes and bumps so you need tigh body control that the Magnetic brings.
Regular shocks would get overwhelm in this track.
Melting Slicks
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What's truly amazing is the time and distance differential of the ZR1 vs the 911-991. Both cars are GT's and both are good as daily drivers. The ZR1 did a 7:19.63 and the 911-991 did a 7:37.9 for a time difference of 18.27 seconds. The 911 averages 147.63048 feet per second times 18.27 seconds for a distance behind the ZR1 of 2,697.2088 feet. A half of a mile behind the Corvette at the finish is a massive distance.
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This is not correct. I still have the DVD from my 05 C6 with tons of footage from the ring where much testing was done. More, at the time we were all well aware of the ring and the lap times thrown down there were often discussed and in no way less so than they are today.
As to lap times, hp is huge on the ring and tires as well while the gearing wont be much of a factor. Unless the output of the C7 is well and truly above expectation it will fall well short of the Z's time considering we already know it will be sporting less tire.
As to lap times, hp is huge on the ring and tires as well while the gearing wont be much of a factor. Unless the output of the C7 is well and truly above expectation it will fall well short of the Z's time considering we already know it will be sporting less tire.
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What's truly amazing is the time and distance differential of the ZR1 vs the 911-991. Both cars are GT's and both are good as daily drivers. The ZR1 did a 7:19.63 and the 911-991 did a 7:37.9 for a time difference of 18.27 seconds. The 911 averages 147.63048 feet per second times 18.27 seconds for a distance behind the ZR1 of 2,697.2088 feet. A half of a mile behind the Corvette at the finish is a massive distance.
Still the ZR1 compensates some of this 911 tech with the stickier tires.
Last edited by ivanjo11; Dec 27, 2012 at 01:55 PM.