How long until we have final official numbers for HP, Torque, MPG and weight? No more with this estimated crap...

I understand they still need to sell C6s for the next seven months, but how far can they drag it out. I had originally hoped they'd give it all up with the reveal, but that turns out to be styling. At least now they can hit some tracks without wearing a canvas parachute...

 

The real numbers will be out once the motors are submitted for SAE certification. That will happen when they have the best balance of fuel economy and power along with drivability. They are introducing a new Powertrain in to a new vehicle at a time when government regulations are at an all time high. There is a lot of work to do to ensure everything is done correctly. Everyone of the test cars on the road will be feeding data back, adjustments are made and do it all again.

I'm sure they will take it in to serious consideration that you need numbers now and then go on about the business of engineering a performance automobile regardless.

It has very little to do with the remaining C6 model run. That will be what it will be with or without horsepower and torque graphs for the 2014 car.

 

If you really like the C6 you can get smoking deals

 

That

 

Thanks for the sarcasm, not.

I'm specifically asking if anyone has an idea of the submission dates or schedule. I never assumed the world revolved around my personal desires, but since that's your first assumption we know where you stand.

I'll be sure to spell it out in simple words in future posts.

 

Daekwan06....please read this and re read it!

 

I was with you until this line. I think C6 sales certainly give GM good motivation to underestimate power and/or delay giving final figures until we're closer to release.

 

You know what. You're right. We got off on the wrong foot. I apologize for not simply answering your question. Too much pissing and moaning in this forum and too many folks attacking things that I tend to take personally. Not sure where I came from prior to replying to your post but it is clear that I wasn't in a good mood.

What I generally can do without are descriptive phrases like "estimated crap" and speculation like alluding to the fact that the numbers aren't deliberately out to keep people buying current generation Corvettes.

Dates for submission, while quite possibly known have not been discussed publicly. As far as we the public are concerned, T.B.D.

 

As long as this engine has been in development with all the testing that has been done GM already knows the "real numbers, balance of fuel economy, power and driveability". They are playing their game!

 

It seems to me that if you were going to do anything in interest of bolstering C6 sales, don't release the engine info early (never been done before in any of the current generations launches or refreshes) and if you do, don't release anything on HP/Torque.

I can't see how a) This was part of someone's master plan to lure C6 buyers in to the showrooms and b) any other people agreeing with it.

We had months of speculation and renders about the car. GM have all ready revealed the styling. They have listed minimum HP and torque numbers that exceed the current LS3 incarnation. We have details on brakes and the transmission. Do we really choose to believe that anything other than people's taste and wallet in light of MSRP when released is going to shape their decision to buy a C6 over a C7 or buy a C7 over a C6? I don't.

The folks that don't like the C7 styling, the decision is obviously an easy one. Find a C6 of your liking and get it.

The folks that are concerned about HP/Torque and specifically in that we know that 450/450 with better fuel economy than the current platform will likely also have all ready made up their mind.

When MSRP comes out, some on the sidelines that like the styling and like what they see in the numbers but have to be concerned about price can go either way. Some will be pleasantly surprised and move on to picking up a C7, others will be unpleasantly surprised and have to make the decision to pick up a C6 or find a way to afford a C7 later and wait.

I just can't see folks sitting on the sidelines right now saying, unless it comes in at 460 hp, I'm just not doing it.

 

Plenty here don't remember the introduction of the C6 Z06 and the LS7 engine in January 2005. GM announced that the target power was 500 HP (& 480 ft-lbs). It wasn't until later in the spring (~April) before the SAE certification tests were performed with final tuning parameters that GM was able to publicly claim 505 HP and 470 ft-lbs. The LS7 engine was the very first engine to ever be tested per that latest SAE test. I am sure GM will have final numbers for public announcement on the LT1 engine by April which will be long before C6 sales have ended. Expect even better deals on C6s this year as if we haven't already over the past several years because of the economy. There will be plenty of C6 buyers who want to snag a vette at the best possible price.

 

Nice to see someone step up and write a post like this.

 

Your first post in this thread sounds an awful lot like what I wrote last week. And I agree with it 100% for some reason.

As for dates, all we know is "1st Quarter '13" for submission, and that's it. So before the end of March.

jas

 

All the specs should have been released with the introduction. If they really don't have them yet, then they should not have had the Detroit event. Let alone actually auctioning a car (for charity or whatever, who cares).

Corvette buyers are assumed enthusiasts, real specs are important to these buyers, obviously.

 

Class act, plain and simple.

 

There are enthusiasts, and then there's advertising and marketing. In this case, the former HAVE TO take a back seat to the latter. Hopefully you can see that GM's tactic is working perfectly given all the press and coverage the car is getting internationally.

They're not ignoring the enthusiasts. They're focusing on the thing they need to be focusing on right now and that's advertising and marketing.

jas

 

Poor job there too. Using all the new-speak to mislead and evade: the frame is 100 lbs lighter (what about the entire car?); if you can afford a C6 you can afford a C7, ?? C6's go for $39,9k to $125k!; the horsepower is at least...; gas mileage is variously the best of any Corvette or better than the C6.

We are well in to the information age and although these memes are readily parroted by the low-information types, it only takes minutes for such new-speak to be outed.

 

Actually it isn't, and I'm not sure you're quite grasping the concept. So far it's working quite well for them. In other words: the press and public are crawling all over themselves to see, get information about, and drive this car.

jas

 

This is no different than how it has been for many model introductions and model variation rollouts for decades. Except we now have news coverage 24/7 so therefore we must have all of the news right now!!!!

 

Pehaps at the Corvette Bash this spring?