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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 01:09 PM
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U gotta love em all no matter what. They're our babies.
I still like the C2. I just don't get hot and bothered over it like I do the early C3s, the 80s C4s, everything but the back of the C5 (though it's grown on me), the C6s, and now the C7 from everything but the back. (all because of that lower bumper. It needs a restyle)

The C1 I like the quad head light, and 4 tail light rear the best. The ones before that make me think it's a bar of ivory soap with a chrome grill, wheels and head lights I still like the look of that one too. But like the C2 it just doesn't call to me at all.

The 80s C4 has always been my favorite vette as far as looks go. It evokes alot of elements of my child hood (You don't even want to know how many hot wheels cars I had that were the C4 oh god. I could probably build a C4 frame out of all that die cast that I'd used and abused as a kid just in C4s).

When I look at the C2, in anything but jet black with red stripe work I see a disjointed mess, on the coupe at least. The roof and windshield from the front doesn't match the feel of the front bumper at all to me, same with the back section and rear bumper. Now a vert C2 on the other hand? that is a sexy thing. Conversely, I'd never own a vert, C4. As it ruins the lines of the car for me.

If I ever willingly bought a convertible, and had an ''unlimited'' budget I'd get a C2 in a heart beat, after I got myself a C4 ZR1, 96-02 Trans Am (in either Bright Red if it were a pre 98... or Onyx Black if it were the 98-02) WS6, GS C6 (I'd turbo it. I like the gills more than I like the ZO6 and ZR1s fenderwork) the C6 would of course be that lovely electric blue metallic, a C5 ZO6, (which would be either Yellow, or Red) C7 Stingray Z51 (which would be the new dark grey metallic. Cyber gray I think it is), , 68-70 C3 (Red, or Laguna Blue) and Ferrari 512 TR (the only color you should EVER own a Ferrari in... Red).

There's a C2 on my fantasy car's list don't get it twisted but it certainly wouldn't be the coupe. The roof is just so ugly on that car that it spoils the rest of it for me.

I hate the roof of the C2 almost as much as i hate the mid 70s through 82 rear bumper and fender vents on the C3. I wouldn't say no to owning one if the keys to a C2 Coupe fell into my lap (like a I would a great many other cars) but it's not my first choice. If that makes sense?

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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 01:15 PM
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I've liked all the Corvettes, they are all kick a$$ including the c4 which I did not own, but loved the clamshell hood and it wiped up the competition.

The c1 was so beautiful a tv show was based around it.

In 1963 arrived the all time ultimate Corvette Stingray C2, it has NOT been topped for the impact it made in its era, the true age of rockets and innovation.

The c3 was wild too, just got caught up in a bad era of regulation.

The c4 was a world beater.

The c5, supercar looks and performance.

The c6 slayed all its peers but got no love. Still the best ever.

The c7 chapter has just begun but may go down as the benchmark where corporate influence and federal regulation made its return.
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 01:23 PM
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Thought I would weigh in on the new C7 now that it has been on display for awhile and I've had time to digest it. It is not uncommon for first impressions to change over time, sometimes for the better or sometimes for worst. No matter what car you fall in love with there is almost always something about it you would change. And please keep in mind that these are just my personal thoughts, I don't pretend or presume to be speaking for anyone else. All this bashing and name calling of people with different tastes is a good indicator of why things are so bad in Washington.

Overall I like the new design. I think it advances the C6's look while adding some new and needed styling freshness (as in broader appeal). I'm not saying it's great, but it is good. A "B+" vs an "A+". This design should be good for say....6 to 7 years. That is assuming there are going to be minor interim freshin ups. Although there are elements I would change I see nothing that would disway me from buying one as is.

Exterior- It amazes me how much a car's visual personality can change based on (1) where it was photographed and (2) from what angle. The best judgement I feel can be made from the few photos of the car in the outside in natural sunlight.

I have less of an issue with the taillight design but rather in the painting of so much of the rear in black. I think a better treatment would be to bring the body color down to the where the rear fascia horizontally breaks at the top of the exhaust area. Additionally I would like to see how it would look with this element then replaced with some kind of black grille work

The other change I would like to see is the extension of the side rear window glass closer to it's natural termination point (perhaps some of you photoshoppers can work on that) and give the c pillar more of a flying buttress look (yes I know the rear angle of the little cooling grille then has to be changed).

The front looks okay to me but I do have one important question. I am under the impression that most cars pick up their cabin air from the base of the windshield, a positive pressure point. With the C7's hood exhausting hot air through the new hood vent, does this air then get channeled into the cabin ventilation?


Interior- I am less enthused about the interior than the exterior. It's not that the inside doesn't improve over the past, as it clearly does. But it still doesn't live up to 2013/14 expectations. The seats look good, and it has all the prerequisite gadgetry, but the styling of the dash just doesn't excite.
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BSheppard
I agree with this. The C7 is in my eyes an evolution of the C5 and C6.
And that's not a bad thing.

I also notice that the more I look at the rear of the C7, the more I think Pontiac. The new emblem & taillights I guess.
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 93Rubie
At any rate, that is how I see it.
I hope it sells well for GM. I'm encouraged by the fact Tadge Juechter in a recent Road and Track article basically said. He wishes the HP wars where over. He wants to focus on better steering feel and driver involvement. Not HP and PEAK skid pad grip. Amen to that.
Funny. You say 25, but that sounds like "old guy" talk to me. And I'm 49, but still believe you can't have too much power.

I remember the warning signs from the 1970's, when automakers changed the subject toward handling instead of raw power, and how it wasn't long after that gov regs, stripes, bumperettes, and other non-performance gadgets replaced all the fun.

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Originally Posted by 85scott
Funny. You say 25, but that sounds like "old guy" talk to me. And I'm 49, but still believe you can't have too much power.

I remember the warning signs from the 1970's, when automakers changed the subject toward handling instead of raw power, and how it wasn't long after that gov regs, stripes, bumperettes, and other non-performance gadgets replaced all the fun.
hahah, don't get me wrong. I like power, but I like USEABLE power better.
For example the NEW LT1 has not much more HP but a LOT more torque right where you can enjoy it, at lower RPMS 1-4K.

Old guys only use about 250hp in their 638HP ZR1, I use 300HP of my 300HP quite often. Maybe too much....Lets face it 300HP will push my C4 well into ARREST me speeds north of 150MPH, run the 1/4 mile in 13.38@105 (STOCK), not exactly slow...

I question the wisdom of 638HP ZR1 and 505HP Z06 if the average driver CANNOT handle it or rarely uses it. Same can be said for 300hp or 405hp.

Nissan GT-R's are fast, because of all the electronics, grandma could drive it fast. Corvettes require more skill to drive them fast.

MOST folks cannot truly handle 405hp much less more.

Those that can usually are racers, drag, road racing, auto-x, or otherwise.

That being said, I enjoy and find "FUN" in lower HP cars such as Miata's and the new BRZ. Oh, how I want one. What they lack in HP, they make up for in telepathic steering feel and pure driving fun. Small, agile sports cars are fun. The Corvette is a brute, raw, fast, lots of grip, and agile for a big guy.

BRZ=Cornerback, quick and agile, not a lotta raw power. Balanced.

Corvette=Running Back (Adrian Peterson) Fast, agile (for a bigger guy), LOTS of power.

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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by torquetube
I wouldn't group them by appearance. I think that over the seven generations of Corvettes there have been four distinct chassis/drivetrain/suspension architectures: C1, C2-C3, C4, and C5-C7. There is a strong through-line from the C5 through the C7. Look at the cars with the body panels off. The layout of components and methods of construction represent a steady evolution of the pattern that started with the C5.

Even with the body panels on, the C5-C7 have similar silhouettes. The basic proportions are close, which isn't a bad thing.
I don't disagree with this at all. I do argue some C4 chassis ideas did carry over. This is only based on my reading of Dave McLellans book Corvette From the Inside.
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ~Stingray
I thought the c4 was great in technology but bad in design. Sorry OP. I alway thought the c4 era made a plain looking corvette. It didn't really stand out.

I have wanted a c6 for a long time now, but putting yourself through college kind of prevents buying one. I want to wait a few years and get a used c7 because of the looks and especially the interior. Definitely a home-run on the interior. I fear though, they will be so popular that even after a few years, they will still be really expensive.

As for design over the generations, I agree with you that the c7 is a major step forward. I think the c2 and later gen c3s were huge changes in design and became iconic. Next the c5 and now the c7.
Styling is very subjective. Personally after the very flamboyant C3 I think the understated classy look of the C4 is welcome. At least in my eyes.

I argue that the plain looking C4 does stand out, you noticed its plainness didn't you. Nonetheless, it was "for better or worse" a radical change from the C3.

Each generation styling wise has elements I like and dislike.

IDK, who said they don't like the C2, but really? I mean I guess more of them for the rest of us. I like the mid year cars, WAY too $$$ for my blood.
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 11:02 PM
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Two weeks later and it still has Camaro tail lights
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I think the only vette that's close to ugly is the C2.
Say what?
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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 93Rubie
Styling is very subjective. Personally after the very flamboyant C3 I think the understated classy look of the C4 is welcome. At least in my eyes.

I argue that the plain looking C4 does stand out, you noticed its plainness didn't you. Nonetheless, it was "for better or worse" a radical change from the C3.

Each generation styling wise has elements I like and dislike.

IDK, who said they don't like the C2, but really? I mean I guess more of them for the rest of us. I like the mid year cars, WAY too $$$ for my blood.


I agree -- one man's "plain" is another man's "clean." After the excesses of the C3, the C4 was a true breath of fresh air, and holds up very well compared to most 1980's cars. Similarly the C5, which is really a smooth and elegant design. While some do not like the big butt, it is very much a "form follows function" design element. The C7 is not what I would call smooth and elegant, but certainly one can see where some of the more controversial styling touches are functional.

(Over)styling may well be an issue for the C7. I really like it, but there is a lot going on. I wonder if it will stand the test of time.
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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 93Rubie
I've had some time to look the car over and read about, getting to know it better.

I have this analysis of the C7.

I like it a lot. The front end is spot on, sides as well. The rear end is starting to grow on me. I WANT to see it in person.

FYI, to GM please let the lower rear be body color. Would look a LOT better.

This C7 in design and somewhat in engineering is the MOST radical change to the Corvette since the 1984 C4. The C5 was a GIGANTIC leap in engineering over the C4 but NOT in design at all.

For better or worse the C4 in 84 was a RADICAL change in design, engineering and otherwise. The C4 also introduced TONS of "modern" electronics such as fuel injection, ABS, Traction Control, Air Bags, etc...

I think the C7 is a new chapter in the Corvette history. Its that different. It pays subtle homage to past generations yet is looking ahead and making it own path.

If I may the C1-C3 is Classic Corvette, the cars where all influenced by the original creators directly more or less. Designed with old technology and few computers.

The C4-C6 is Modern Corvette, they all look similar in shape, size, weight, and overall layout. The basic concepts are thru all 3 generations. Lets face it Dave McLellan had to leave a lot of ideas on the table thanks to GM management with the C4. He corrected those on the C5. The C5 was about 90% done in 93 when he stepped down. He hard chassis engineering was done anyhow. All designed in the computer era but not yet when it was fully developed.

The C7 is Post-Modern Corvette, a new era, not connected to the past in any meaningful way. Yes the basic idea of the C5 chassis remains but highly modified. The engines, etc...are at a level much higher than the warmed over C5 known as the C6. The exterior design is totally new and fresh. Same with the inside. A bit of 90-93 in there but its just in basic layout only. The C7 is the first totally new Corvette designed in an era where internet, computers, smart phones, social media, etc...are common.

At any rate, that is how I see it.
I hope it sells well for GM. I'm encouraged by the fact Tadge Juechter in a recent Road and Track article basically said. He wishes the HP wars where over. He wants to focus on better steering feel and driver involvement. Not HP and PEAK skid pad grip. Amen to that.

Sounds like the Corvette is in good hands to me.

Lets face it, MOST Corvette owners NEVER come even close to the capabilities of what the car is capable of EVER. I've scared the crap out of people with my C4 and ONLY 300HP. Scared them even more auto-x'ing it. The newer ones are SO much more capable yet FEW find the limits or are even able to handle it. Its all bragging rights with HP and skid pad peak g's. Talk....its just talk. The car might be capable but you don't use it? Whats the point? I mean its your car but....its like being married to Mina Kunis and not sleeping with her. Doesn't make sense.

The Corvette has to shed its "old guy" image or the car its DEAD. I'm 25, and I'll tell you what from the younger crowd. I get a lot of crap from them. I take it well enough. I ask them have they ever had a ride in one? They answer No. I say get in. Then proceed. They walk away with a different attitude.

I think for many seeing a young man driving a Corvette the way it SHOULD be driven, changes minds.

Note: Not reckless on the streets, I play my games at the track and auto-x ONLY. I'm paying for my Corvette, not being stupid with it.


Your thoughts and comments. Especially on the Classic, Modern, Post-Modern thing?
Appreciate your thoughts. As a long time Corvette junkie myself, the introduction of a new series is always exciting.

"The test of pudding is in the tasting". I appreciate good looks and some of the "gee whiz!" trinkets and interior upgrade - which looks to me to have a strong resemblence to the cockpit of the early 90s C4 - a good thing; that appeals to the "waxer" in me. But, the "warrior" in me waits to see how the C7 stacks up to the rest in their class in order to separate truth from typical exuberant marketing BS.
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I have never driven my Corvettes near their limits. I did take a C5 into a corner to quickly but the electronic system saved my ****. The cars have been a huge part of my life. The Corvette clubs are wonderful. The new C7 is exciting and well done.

SAVE THE WAVE.....
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I would probably agree with the OP. The C7 does appear to be the first time GM has truly thought out-of-the-box with the Corvette since the C4. It is the reason why I LOVE the taillights. Nothing signals that change more than 4 circles lights finally going away.
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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 09:31 AM
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The early introduction, realization that it will be a year before I will actually test drive a C7. Another downer; guessing option costs, estimating MSRP. The hype diminishes, could be two summers before I take delivery. Well, enjoying the C6, actually driving it more with the pending upcoming trade.
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Originally Posted by JustinStrife
Say what?
It's the roof.

It just doesn't mesh well with the rest of the car to me.

Now a C2 Vert is a thing of beauty, and I do want one someday. After I get my hands on a 96-02 TA/WS6 (red if pre 98. Black or midnight blue metallic if 98-02), C5 (in either Red, or Black), C6 GS (the lighter blue metallic), a C7 Stingray Z51, Ferrari 512TR (Red. Because if you're going to get a Ferrari it HAS to be red) and a 68-72 Stingray (Blue with chrome side pipes) a Stealth RT and a After all of those the C2 Vert. And it's the only Vert I'd ever own willingly.

Like I said it's the only one close to ugly. And even that's not ugly. But only cause the drop top saves the car totally and changes it's attitude dramatically. You can probably tell from my list that I like more modern styled vehicles typically, that's partly because I was born in the 80s. Our car preferences are largely shaped by the cars we grew up around. I just never saw that many C2s outside of Gran Turismo growing up or muscle cars for that matter. That and I look at them right now and they don't get me going quite like the above cars do. The C3's first four years of life I discovered squarely because of GT and I remember looking at the C2 and looking at the early C3s and going "why would anyone ever want the older one". It's too halfsies styled for me I think. One half is civil and gentlemanly and the other half is trying to be daring. It just comes off as schizo to me. But my garage and my budget would have to both become astronomically large to own all of those at once.

By the way that's in order of Want and Lust that little list. For the C7 to jump right into 4th in line before I've even seen one in the wild is pretty impressive in it's own right considering one of the cars it's beating is quite literally the third car I ever really lusted after (the Ferrari 512TR) that I can remember. The C5 is a car I didn't start lusting after till i was in my teens when it was new. And the C6 is purely adult age lust. The GS is just classic one upmanship from GM giving it the wide body and Gills (I have a real weakness for Gills on vettes)

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[QUOTE=Aaron Keating;1582950962]

The 80s C4 has always been my favorite vette as far as looks go.

When I look at the C2, .... I see a disjointed mess, on the coupe at least. The roof and windshield from the front doesn't match the feel of the front bumper at all to me, same with the back section and rear bumper.

The roof is just so ugly on that car that it spoils the rest of it for me.
I hate the roof of the C2.

If that makes sense?[/QUOTE]

it makes no sense at all.
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Originally Posted by Vette Daddy
Two weeks later and it still has Camaro tail lights
And they still look great. Even after 2 weeks!
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Originally Posted by drmustang
And they still look great. Even after 2 weeks!

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Originally Posted by JustinStrife
Say what?
Seriously. The C2s are rattle trap, jack *** carts compared to todays Corvette but they are gorgeous.
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