Over/under 200mph
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Over/under 200mph
So I was a little bored and decided to do math. If the c7 can come in at around 3100lb, has a cd a few pts under 3, has hp on the high side of the 400's and if that otherwise useless 7th gear puts the peak of the hp curve where it needs to be this car will hit 2 bills. Narrower tires, smaller cross section, lower drag... Just wanted to say it first, not saying it might happen or I hope it happens, just saying if it was an engineering goal it's perfectly attainable. 30mpg/200mph would be quite the throwing of the gauntlet.
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That's not really "doing math". Plus the car will top out in fifth, not seventh, and weight has virtually no effect on top speed. If we had exact specs on frontal area, coefficient of drag, and power curve we might be able to punch it into CarTest and get within 5 mph. But we don't.
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So I was a little bored and decided to do math. If the c7 can come in at around 3100lb, has a cd a few pts under 3, has hp on the high side of the 400's and if that otherwise useless 7th gear puts the peak of the hp curve where it needs to be this car will hit 2 bills. Narrower tires, smaller cross section, lower drag... Just wanted to say it first, not saying it might happen or I hope it happens, just saying if it was an engineering goal it's perfectly attainable. 30mpg/200mph would be quite the throwing of the gauntlet.
C6 base LS3 did 192 drag limited, GS 182-185, C7 maybe can hit 190
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That's not really "doing math". Plus the car will top out in fifth, not seventh, and weight has virtually no effect on top speed. If we had exact specs on frontal area, coefficient of drag, and power curve we might be able to punch it into CarTest and get within 5 mph. But we don't.
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The base C7 will top out around 190MPH...
But more importantly, performance-wise, the base C6 won't be able to keep up with the base C7... at all.
Not in the turns, not in a straight line, not in braking, not acceleration... I'm not sure where you're basing your conclusions, but even if the peak HP was the same as the LS3, the C7 makes CONSIDERABLY more torque and more power under the curve. It also has better aerodynamics and suspension. I have no idea how you think the base C7 will "be lucky to keep up" with the base C6.
First off, if GM released a base new gen Corvette that didn't exceed the performance of the previous base, they wouldn't release it at all. Not in this market, anyway.
So I'd love to make a wager with you. $100 says that the base C7 beats the base C6 in the quarter mile and in track times.
Up for a friendly bet?
Le Mans Master
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I'd like to see you put money on that.
The base C7 will top out around 190MPH...
But more importantly, performance-wise, the base C6 won't be able to keep up with the base C7... at all.
Not in the turns, not in a straight line, not in braking, not acceleration... I'm not sure where you're basing your conclusions, but even if the peak HP was the same as the LS3, the C7 makes CONSIDERABLY more torque and more power under the curve. It also has better aerodynamics and suspension. I have no idea how you think the base C7 will "be lucky to keep up" with the base C6.
First off, if GM released a base new gen Corvette that didn't exceed the performance of the previous base, they wouldn't release it at all. Not in this market, anyway.
So I'd love to make a wager with you. $100 says that the base C7 beats the base C6 in the quarter mile and in track times.
Up for a friendly bet?
The base C7 will top out around 190MPH...
But more importantly, performance-wise, the base C6 won't be able to keep up with the base C7... at all.
Not in the turns, not in a straight line, not in braking, not acceleration... I'm not sure where you're basing your conclusions, but even if the peak HP was the same as the LS3, the C7 makes CONSIDERABLY more torque and more power under the curve. It also has better aerodynamics and suspension. I have no idea how you think the base C7 will "be lucky to keep up" with the base C6.
First off, if GM released a base new gen Corvette that didn't exceed the performance of the previous base, they wouldn't release it at all. Not in this market, anyway.
So I'd love to make a wager with you. $100 says that the base C7 beats the base C6 in the quarter mile and in track times.
Up for a friendly bet?
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Really? I wanted you to put your money where your mouth is.
Base vs base... Don't be afraid. Just $100. Cheap bet. You said base. I'm saying base. No special RPO on either base. Just C6 vs C7. Put up or shut up.
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So if we use YOUR reasoning, Z51 is still base... SO...
Z51 NNP C6 should go up against a Z51 mag suspension C7... It's still base, right?
OK, lets take that bet. Right now. $100. Good to go?
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Z51 is NOT base. You may have base trim, but Z51 is a performance add-on package.
So if we use YOUR reasoning, Z51 is still base... SO...
Z51 NNP C6 should go up against a Z51 mag suspension C7... It's still base, right?
OK, lets take that bet. Right now. $100. Good to go?
So if we use YOUR reasoning, Z51 is still base... SO...
Z51 NNP C6 should go up against a Z51 mag suspension C7... It's still base, right?
OK, lets take that bet. Right now. $100. Good to go?
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They can be on the same tire, but I don't think we're going to get track times like that.
STOCK FOR STOCK... Take the bet or no? Don't be afraid. You say that the C7 will be LUCKY to keep up with the C6. If that's the case, what does the tire matter? If you're right, the tires won't matter. The C6 should demolish the C7...
SO... Again, taking the bet or are you too scared?
STOCK FOR STOCK... Take the bet or no? Don't be afraid. You say that the C7 will be LUCKY to keep up with the C6. If that's the case, what does the tire matter? If you're right, the tires won't matter. The C6 should demolish the C7...
SO... Again, taking the bet or are you too scared?
Le Mans Master
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They can be on the same tire, but I don't think we're going to get track times like that.
STOCK FOR STOCK... Take the bet or no? Don't be afraid. You say that the C7 will be LUCKY to keep up with the C6. If that's the case, what does the tire matter? If you're right, the tires won't matter. The C6 should demolish the C7...
SO... Again, taking the bet or are you too scared?
STOCK FOR STOCK... Take the bet or no? Don't be afraid. You say that the C7 will be LUCKY to keep up with the C6. If that's the case, what does the tire matter? If you're right, the tires won't matter. The C6 should demolish the C7...
SO... Again, taking the bet or are you too scared?
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I'd like to see you put money on that.
The base C7 will top out around 190MPH...
But more importantly, performance-wise, the base C6 won't be able to keep up with the base C7... at all.
Not in the turns, not in a straight line, not in braking, not acceleration... I'm not sure where you're basing your conclusions, but even if the peak HP was the same as the LS3, the C7 makes CONSIDERABLY more torque and more power under the curve. It also has better aerodynamics and suspension. I have no idea how you think the base C7 will "be lucky to keep up" with the base C6.
First off, if GM released a base new gen Corvette that didn't exceed the performance of the previous base, they wouldn't release it at all. Not in this market, anyway.
So I'd love to make a wager with you. $100 says that the base C7 beats the base C6 in the quarter mile and in track times.
Up for a friendly bet?
The base C7 will top out around 190MPH...
But more importantly, performance-wise, the base C6 won't be able to keep up with the base C7... at all.
Not in the turns, not in a straight line, not in braking, not acceleration... I'm not sure where you're basing your conclusions, but even if the peak HP was the same as the LS3, the C7 makes CONSIDERABLY more torque and more power under the curve. It also has better aerodynamics and suspension. I have no idea how you think the base C7 will "be lucky to keep up" with the base C6.
First off, if GM released a base new gen Corvette that didn't exceed the performance of the previous base, they wouldn't release it at all. Not in this market, anyway.
So I'd love to make a wager with you. $100 says that the base C7 beats the base C6 in the quarter mile and in track times.
Up for a friendly bet?
