Correct and well stated. The C6 Z06 is a profound performer. There is a major seat of the pants kick that statistics don't quite telegraph. You need to drive one. The C7 "Sting Ray" should be a very strong machine but highly unlikely that it will have the ***** of a C6 Z06.

 

Not the ***** but I am sure the torque

 

Hmmm, I always thought torque = ***** in this case.

 

Not the torque of a Z06 either.

C7's torque hits 450 at 4000 RPM, stays flat until 5,000 RPM and drops like a rock to 365 at 6500 RPM.

The Z06's torque keeps climbing to 470 at 5200 RPM, stays flat until 6200 RPM and then drops slightly to 425 at 7000 RPM.

The torque from 4000 RPM to 7000 RPM is what slams you into the seat, hard, in a Z06. That's not going to happen in a C7 with the LT1. Of course, the greater torque at a much higher RPM, also gives the Z06 55 horsepower more then the LT1.

If you have ever driven a Z06, you would know that.

 

Nope. It won't have the grip either unfortunately.

 

And seriously, how much time do you spend over 5K rpm? And how often?

99.9% of the time, for 99.9% of owners, that C7 will be mighty competitive...and, I bet when you test drive one, you'll know that

 

You will the first time you get cocky against a z06 and you will lose handily. Heavier plus less grip and less power.

 

It's killing me that we don't have the final specs and performance figures yet. Bench racing sucks.

 

I say, "Wait and see."

 

I say, "Wait and see."

 

I say, "Wait and see."

 

Wait, you have seen a torque curve for the c7?

 

Cocky? Please. I don't cruise around looking for street races. I respect that from 5K to 7K the Z reigns. But don't make more of it than it is -- a part of the power band most of us do not visit all that often.

On the track, sure. Around town, unless you are WAY past legal limits, i bet the differences will prove very minor indeed. That's a good thing for the brand.

And, what if what the C7 actually uses all that tech to get really close, as the C7 team is dropping hints about? Wouldn't that be a pleasant shock

 

Well, until the Z06 drops a valve, then it will be all C7...

 

Sure it would but don't you get the feeling that some just don't want to have "that be a pleasant shock?"

 

People keep trying to compare the new base model to the previous C6 performance models, no C7 LT1 is going to outrun either C6 performance models period.

My guess is the new base C7 will not be brutalized by the LS7, but also not going to be neck and neck either , one major factor going for the corvette is the elimination of the LS7 motor as it has been the most unreliable motor put in a corvette that I can remember , I have never seen so many motors pop.

Variations such as a possible LT4 or even L88( all speculation of the name of the performance, version of the C7) will with without doubt be very impressive and may even surpasss the LS9, start comparing when the other motor is introduced, until them stop comparing the base model of the 1st car introduced, its just stupid and not fair.

 

Yup, no worries about LT1 dropping valves, carbon build up will keep them firmly in place.

 

Perhaps I'm missing something. GM has clearly said that base C7 with an LT1 has the torque curve of a C6 ZO6 up through 4000 RPM.

For probably about 80-95% of potential Corvette C7 Stingray owners, that is a significant performance improvement over the C6 base car. Coupled with the interior and handling improvements your criteria is likely met.

So why continue to act like we just don't know?

 

So the c7 is suddenly going to have 345 rears? No. It's suddenly going to have torque and power matching the z06? No. It's suddenly going to drop 200lbs? No


No the z06 reigns all the way through due to weight and grip. Power reigns over 4500 but weight and grip reign 100% of the time.

Street or track the c7 won't match the z06.


Nah the c7 will be behind me and hit my oil slick haha

 

The C5 Z06 was an incredible machine. The C6 Z06 is an incredible machine. The C5 came out before the Z06. The C6 came out before the Z06. The C7 hasn't even been produced yet. I haven't seen any performance numbers but I have seen the look in the eye of Tadge and although he has hinted at the capabilities of the new C7 he has not released anything that I have seen or heard. So why the concern? It's too early. If the Stingray even approaches the C6 Zo6 the way the 2005 C6 approached the C5 Z06 I'm sure we will have a winner. Whether or not this will occur I do not know and the above protestations to the contrary neither does anyone else outside of a few select GM/Corvette insiders. It certainly seems to be their goal given the changes made. As in the past the new Generation will be allowed to settle in before more powerful editions are trotted out. I'm just happy that a Z51 option is being offered right out of the shute. I just don't see the upside of negative prognostications unless there is some hidden agenda. If I were selling a competitive brand I might want to try and discredit the C7 before it becomes too successful at a much lower price than my marquee model. The numbers will be what the numbers will be. Right now the numbers are just.........nothing but wishful thinking or fearful thinking.