C7 makes C6 obsolete
Le Mans Master
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I can't believe everybody is getting their panties in a wad over the obsolete C6 comment. The 2005 was made obsolete by the 06 Z06. The 06 Z06 was made obsolete by the 2007 which was superceded by the 2008 etc. Big deal. It doesn't make the older models any less good than they are. Improvements are inevitable and if they weren't forthcoming, everybody would be even more upset. C6's are deeply discounted right now and are still incredible cars by any measurement. The current pricing just makes them that much more exciting and logical. If you need the latest and greatest and you can afford it, why not? All cars are obsolete the minute you drive them off the lot. 
Melting Slicks
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Is a 1963 split window Corvette beautiful? Well, yes obviously to most Corvette enthusiasts.
Is a 1963 split window Corvette obsolete? Well, yes obviously to anyone who has driven one lately. However, that doesn't make it any less desirerable from many different points of view.
Is a 1982 obsolete? A 1996? How about a 2004?
Speaking of "obviously" I would say that Tadge feels the C7 makes the C6 obsolete. After hearing him speak I think he may just know something the rest of us don't. For just one example, he states "The C7 is 500% stiffer than the C6." Now maybe to some who seem overly willing to bash the C7 this may seem like hype, but to me it is the very essence of o-b-s-o-l-e-t-e. Let alone the other remarkable characteristics the C7 seems to possess. I too have a C6. It's a 2011 GS and I love it. Why am I not offended by the obsolete comment? Why am I not threatened? Maybe it's because I love all the Vettes I own, past, present and future. Maybe because a new Vette that makes all other Vettes "obsolete" is what Corvette is and always will be all about. I have looked into Tadge's eyes and I believe he knows from what he speaks. Am I drinking the "Kool Aide"? Maybe but to me that's part of "The Corvette Mystique" and I would rather be on this side of "The View" than on the other doubting Thomas side. JMHO.
Oh, by the way, judging from the amount of attention the quote has gotten (and I knew it would the moment I heard it at The Corvette Corral) this could just be a remarkable marketing move by a very intelligent man. A man who knows every C6 has already been sold or soon will be but a man who knows the future of Corvette depends on the absolute success of this iteration of the C7. Maybe, just maybe he is a little but smarter than the average bear on the CF. Ya think?
Is a 1963 split window Corvette obsolete? Well, yes obviously to anyone who has driven one lately. However, that doesn't make it any less desirerable from many different points of view.
Is a 1982 obsolete? A 1996? How about a 2004?
Speaking of "obviously" I would say that Tadge feels the C7 makes the C6 obsolete. After hearing him speak I think he may just know something the rest of us don't. For just one example, he states "The C7 is 500% stiffer than the C6." Now maybe to some who seem overly willing to bash the C7 this may seem like hype, but to me it is the very essence of o-b-s-o-l-e-t-e. Let alone the other remarkable characteristics the C7 seems to possess. I too have a C6. It's a 2011 GS and I love it. Why am I not offended by the obsolete comment? Why am I not threatened? Maybe it's because I love all the Vettes I own, past, present and future. Maybe because a new Vette that makes all other Vettes "obsolete" is what Corvette is and always will be all about. I have looked into Tadge's eyes and I believe he knows from what he speaks. Am I drinking the "Kool Aide"? Maybe but to me that's part of "The Corvette Mystique" and I would rather be on this side of "The View" than on the other doubting Thomas side. JMHO.
Oh, by the way, judging from the amount of attention the quote has gotten (and I knew it would the moment I heard it at The Corvette Corral) this could just be a remarkable marketing move by a very intelligent man. A man who knows every C6 has already been sold or soon will be but a man who knows the future of Corvette depends on the absolute success of this iteration of the C7. Maybe, just maybe he is a little but smarter than the average bear on the CF. Ya think?
Btw, I think the C7 is 50% stiffer not 500%....probably a typo.
Racer
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Did anyone actually watch the entire video? It is very informative. In no way shape or form was Tadge bashing the C6. He was merely stating that the Stingray represents an improvement in design, architecture and performance when compared to the C6. Nothing he has not said before in other interviews.
His use of the word "obsolete" was met with laughter by the audience. Some of you guys just want to complain.
His use of the word "obsolete" was met with laughter by the audience. Some of you guys just want to complain.
Safety Car
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You don't have to like the appearance, I can understand we all have our preference, but you are the biggest skeptic of the potential ability of the car of ANYONE on this forum and without any reason to be yet... oh wait, you are a realist
Le Mans Master
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From: Sacramento California
Did anyone actually watch the entire video? It is very informative. In no way shape or form was Tadge bashing the C6. He was merely stating that the Stingray represents an improvement in design, architecture and performance when compared to the C6. Nothing he has not said before in other interviews.
His use of the word "obsolete" was met with laughter by the audience. Some of you guys just want to complain.
His use of the word "obsolete" was met with laughter by the audience. Some of you guys just want to complain.
Drifting
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From: wolfeboro nh
I know what you mean about the 500% stiffer quote but he repeated it several times and actually used some math to back it up.. If true it is an amazing factoid.
Le Mans Master
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From: Sacramento California
I have never seen anyone seem so hopeful that a vehicle will be a failure as you seem to be. You predict doomsday every chance you get and for no plausible reason yet. The ONLY evidence we have is what GM have told us which, granted, has not been proven but it is though you simply believe they are outright lying to the entire market. There is zero upside to them in lying or exaggerating because the actual testing will be shortly forthcoming but yet you are the biggest skeptic there is.
You don't have to like the appearance, I can understand we all have our preference, but you are the biggest skeptic of the potential ability of the car of ANYONE on this forum and without any reason to be yet... oh wait, you are a realist
You don't have to like the appearance, I can understand we all have our preference, but you are the biggest skeptic of the potential ability of the car of ANYONE on this forum and without any reason to be yet... oh wait, you are a realist
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Safety Car
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If my C6 interior was an issue for me, I would have sent it to Caravaggio and had an interior that equals or exceeds anything from Italy or Germany.
But, the C6 interior is just fine with me.
I'm a man.
I'm focused of the DRIVETRAIN of my sportscars, not the flower holder in the dash.
But, the C6 interior is just fine with me.
I'm a man.
I'm focused of the DRIVETRAIN of my sportscars, not the flower holder in the dash.
Yeah, men don't care about what the interior of a car looks/functions like. The only car that I did not care about the design of the interior was my dedicated track car... oh wait, I did there too because I picked the seats that I liked the best, the shifter I liked and the grippy steering wheel I liked too.
Safety Car
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I appreciate what you are saying but continually predicting failure isn't simply "not having your hopes as high as others." That would be taking a more neutral and level position until more facts were known... not predicting failure every chance you get. I'm just calling it like I see it.
Safety Car
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Funny how that happens... well, until the novelty wears off and then you realize that it is the same as the last and just another p... I'll just stop there before I get myself in trouble
Last edited by gthal; Mar 20, 2013 at 12:39 AM.
Le Mans Master
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My O My are we a sensitive bunch !!! Tadge has a done a great job leading the parade as they have brought out the C7 corvette that all us vette nuts have been looking forward to. In a presentation at Sebring as he is describing the technical differences between C6 & C7, he says that the C6 is obsolete. I believe ( accurately I might add) he was referring to the technology meaning more modern metals, aluminum, carbon fiber, etc, now part of the C7 structure. Far too many on here took it to mean he was disparaging our beloved C6, which he was not, & viewed in the same context as suggesting a certain part of our bodies has shrunk to a smaller size ( relax, it hasn't). From the moment the C7 was announced, the C6 became obsolete by virtue of a new updated model coming. Meant the old version was history. Yesterday's newspapers. Just like the C5's, C4's, C3's etc. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with those wonderful cars, they are just old & out of date. I suggest you leave Tadge alone & applaud him for all he's done to bring us our new toy.
Safety Car
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My O My are we a sensitive bunch !!! Tadge has a done a great job leading the parade as they have brought out the C7 corvette that all us vette nuts have been looking forward to. In a presentation at Sebring as he is describing the technical differences between C6 & C7, he says that the C6 is obsolete. I believe ( accurately I might add) he was referring to the technology meaning more modern metals, aluminum, carbon fiber, etc, now part of the C7 structure. Far too many on here took it to mean he was disparaging our beloved C6, which he was not, & viewed in the same context as suggesting a certain part of our bodies has shrunk to a smaller size ( relax, it hasn't). From the moment the C7 was announced, the C6 became obsolete by virtue of a new updated model coming. Meant the old version was history. Yesterday's newspapers. Just like the C5's, C4's, C3's etc. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with those wonderful cars, they are just old & out of date. I suggest you leave Tadge alone & applaud him for all he's done to bring us our new toy.
Oooh... you are gonna get it now 
Drifting
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From: wolfeboro nh
My O My are we a sensitive bunch !!! Tadge has a done a great job leading the parade as they have brought out the C7 corvette that all us vette nuts have been looking forward to. In a presentation at Sebring as he is describing the technical differences between C6 & C7, he says that the C6 is obsolete. I believe ( accurately I might add) he was referring to the technology meaning more modern metals, aluminum, carbon fiber, etc, now part of the C7 structure. Far too many on here took it to mean he was disparaging our beloved C6, which he was not, & viewed in the same context as suggesting a certain part of our bodies has shrunk to a smaller size ( relax, it hasn't). From the moment the C7 was announced, the C6 became obsolete by virtue of a new updated model coming. Meant the old version was history. Yesterday's newspapers. Just like the C5's, C4's, C3's etc. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with those wonderful cars, they are just old & out of date. I suggest you leave Tadge alone & applaud him for all he's done to bring us our new toy.
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Burning Brakes
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Racer
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CF Whiny Members: Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter, did you state the C6 as Code Obsolete?! 
Harlan Charles: TJ, you don't have to answer that question!
Tadge Juechter: I'll answer the question. You want answers?
CF Whiny Members: I think we're entitled.
Tadge Juechter: You want answers?!
CF Whiny Members: WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!!
Tadge Juechter: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!
You winey members, we live in a world that has new Vipers, Porsche's, Ferrari's and those Vipers, Porsche's, Ferrari's, have to be beaten by younger men with C7's.
Who's gonna do it? Old C6's? Old, whiny members? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom! You weep for C6 and you curse the C7 tailights.
You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that C6's death, while tragic, probably brings younger Corvette buyers. And the C7 tailights, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, are modern 3D LED's!
You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about it at car shows, you want me as Chief Engineer! You need me as Chief Engineer!
We use words like "Carbon Fiber", "Z51" "Competition Seats". We use these words as the aluminum backbone frame of a Corvette spent defeating Vipers, Porsche's, Ferrari's on tracks. You use them as a punchline!
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a bunch of CF whiny men who rises and sleeps under the performance of the very car that I engineered, and then questions the manner in which I engineered it!
I would rather you just said "Thank you," and get into your C6 and drove away. Otherwise, I suggest you buy a C7, and beat Vipers, Porsche's, Ferrari's.
Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
CF Whiny Members: Did you order the Code Obsolete?
Tadge Juechter: I did the job that—
CF Whiny Members: DID YOU ORDER THE CODE OBSOLETE?!
Tadge Juechter: YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!!!!!
Harlan Charles: TJ, you don't have to answer that question!
Tadge Juechter: I'll answer the question. You want answers?
CF Whiny Members: I think we're entitled.
Tadge Juechter: You want answers?!
CF Whiny Members: WE WANT THE TRUTH!!!!
Tadge Juechter: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!
You winey members, we live in a world that has new Vipers, Porsche's, Ferrari's and those Vipers, Porsche's, Ferrari's, have to be beaten by younger men with C7's.
Who's gonna do it? Old C6's? Old, whiny members? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom! You weep for C6 and you curse the C7 tailights.
You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that C6's death, while tragic, probably brings younger Corvette buyers. And the C7 tailights, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, are modern 3D LED's!
You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about it at car shows, you want me as Chief Engineer! You need me as Chief Engineer!
We use words like "Carbon Fiber", "Z51" "Competition Seats". We use these words as the aluminum backbone frame of a Corvette spent defeating Vipers, Porsche's, Ferrari's on tracks. You use them as a punchline!
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a bunch of CF whiny men who rises and sleeps under the performance of the very car that I engineered, and then questions the manner in which I engineered it!
I would rather you just said "Thank you," and get into your C6 and drove away. Otherwise, I suggest you buy a C7, and beat Vipers, Porsche's, Ferrari's.
Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
CF Whiny Members: Did you order the Code Obsolete?
Tadge Juechter: I did the job that—
CF Whiny Members: DID YOU ORDER THE CODE OBSOLETE?!
Tadge Juechter: YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!!!!!
Last edited by John_R; Mar 20, 2013 at 02:15 AM.