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Old Apr 24, 2013 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by johnglenntwo
The 911 has it. Could this be a worthy enhancement in a Vette?
And it is easier then AWD, of course.
Just exactly do you think the throttle pedal is for? A judicious application of throttle at the right moment brings the rear end around easily.
Old Apr 24, 2013 | 01:28 PM
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Default Enough with the hyperbole

Without building a prototype and doing serious development effort at a track, nobody here is in a position to say the Corvette wouldn't benefit from a dynamically-adjusted rear toe angle (which is what we're talking about), let alone that such a system would be "garbage" or "not worth it."

The most you can say is that the Corvette setup is pretty good already, and from others' experiences with similar systems it seems unlikely that there's much to be gained. That Chevrolet themselves chose not to go with AWS is the best evidence to support that conclusion.
Old Apr 24, 2013 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by torquetube
Without building a prototype and doing serious development effort at a track, nobody here is in a position to say the Corvette wouldn't benefit from a dynamically-adjusted rear toe angle (which is what we're talking about), let alone that such a system would be "garbage" or "not worth it."

The most you can say is that the Corvette setup is pretty good already, and from others' experiences with similar systems it seems unlikely that there's much to be gained. That Chevrolet themselves chose not to go with AWS is the best evidence to support that conclusion.
The 911 platform surely is one that needs every bit of control squeaked out of it. A Corvette not so much, but, I believe the 928 had something that worked well in this regard:

Known as the Weissach axle, this improvement on the semi-trailing arm suspension largely eliminated lift-throttle oversteer. Before the 928, if you were to lift the throttle in RWD car with an independent rear-end, the tendency was for the shift in weight distribution to cause the vehicle to snap-oversteer. Fun to watch on TV, but not ideal in a race. With the Weissach axle, the rear wheel would toe in, preventing oversteer. Most sports cars that still use semi-trailing arms feature a Weissach axle.

http://jalopnik.com/265926/porsche-928


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Old Apr 24, 2013 | 09:37 PM
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Default How about the C6 Z06 and MSRC!

After reading the above, and snap oversteer, I was reminded what saved the C6 Z06 from its pronounced fate.

Old Apr 25, 2013 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave@Kerbeck.com
When I started with Kerbeck almost 20 years ago (next month) I worked at our Mitsubishi store. Mitsu used to sell a Galant VR-4 (sedan) and the 3000 GT VR-4 (sports car). Both offered AWS and most people who drove both styles of cars didn't care for it. It added much weight and expense to the car an many people didn't see the need.

Porsche buyers tend to like things like this and AWD but Corvette owners usually think that they are unnecessary. I guess it's just a matter of opinion but my opinion is no thanks!

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Use to autox against a guy with the AWS. We were both fairly new to the sport (20 or so years ago). I had a new 92' Corvette. He could not beat me at any of the events we were both entered. It was not even close. I know this is not "technically" a good comparison but it sold me that there was no reason to wish for AWS.
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Originally Posted by 427 C5
AWS is not worth it.

AWD is.




I agree.
All of the above should have happened for the C7.
Well as long as we're living in a fantasy world where GM can build that kind of car for $50K I guess it should have a Flux Capacitor as well!
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C7 should also come with drunk supermodel as standard equipment.

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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 04:56 PM
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The way you guys make excuses for GM is pathetic.
I feel bad for you.
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 05:11 PM
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"The way you guys make excuses for GM is pathetic.
I feel bad for you."

If someone was going to change their mind to mirror your opinion, it would have happened by now. Your polls on an internet forum that represents maybe what 10% or 15% of everyone that drives a Corvette will not persuade GM to change their plan either. Might want to pick another fight.

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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 427 C5
The way you guys make excuses for GM is pathetic.
I feel bad for you.
Your right GM is pathetic for not including a drunk supermodel with each car.




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