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Old Aug 6, 2013 | 10:56 AM
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I'll offer a little information on the way the system works in the text below. It is not just about shock size and how they compare to the other shock and suspension packages on the models. All current and next generation Corvettes have shocks and transverse mounted leaf springs. Each of the models has specific springs, specific shocks and sway bars designed to enhance the ride and performance (and eliminate the trade-offs between the two). That is where the similarity ends between the MSRC and conventional shocks.

The MSRC is a lot more than the sum of it's parts. For me, the magnetic selective ride control is worth every penny when you consider what it is, what it does and how it works. I had hoped to never own another Corvette that doesn't have it.

The shocks are like traditional shocks but they are filled with a magnetically active fluid. This fluid called magnetorheological, has iron particles suspended in the fluid. Outside the shock are electromagnets that are used to align the iron particles in the shock and by moving the particles they change the apparent viscosity of the fluid which in turn causes a softer or firmer shock bump and rebound.

The shock also has an active component in that sensors on the shock body monitor the movement of the shock and again by changing the viscosity of the fluid with the magnets work to keep the wheels on the road surface during periods of uneven terrain and bumps. By changing the way the shock moves it can help it react to changing road conditions and isolate the driver from those changes by adjusting the shocks. It makes these readings and adjustments 1,000 times per second.

The last component of the MSRC (magnetic selective ride control) is it's integration with the active handling system, the eLSD, the steering and the PTM. During hard cornering or periods when the car is losing traction the system will firm up or soften a particular shock to aide in regaining traction or helping with the turn.

The car will have very different handling characteristics and feel between the two modes if you know what you are looking for. If you don't, you may not notice it. Changing between the modes and moving the steering wheel side to side rapidly you should feel a difference in the amount of roll or lean that you feel in the body at a minimum.

Lastly, it isn't something that can be added after the fact. It either comes from the factory with it, or it doesn't. It is a programmed, electronically controlled semi-active suspension. You can't just bolt on the shocks and call it magnetic ride. In addition to the springs and Magneto-rheological shocks which could be purchased, It needs a contol system and the hooks in the active handling and all of the control software to interface with the shocks. If you don't get installed upfront, those things can't be integrated at a later time.
Great post, very informative. Amazing system when you think about it. I love reading that kinda stuff.
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Old Aug 6, 2013 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pmzangag
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Can you clairfy the difference between active handeling (which is standard?) and MSRC? Does AH change the suspension characteristics, as well as steering effort, throttle response, and exhaust note?
Technically, no. The only affect on the suspension is the resulting move caused by the movement of mass of the vehicle. Active handling at it's most basic is an application of the brake in order to plant a corner of the car more firmly to right a perceived wrong. The system is more advanced with the Stingray (which wasn't possible with the hydraulic system on the prior generations) as it also works in conjunction steering effort and throttle to aide in the turn. Basically, the car is looking at the position of the steering wheel via the steering wheel position sensor, position of the throttle pedal and output from the yaw sensors to determine both what the driver is trying to do and measure that against what the car (and result of that manuever) will accomplish.

MSRC while working in conjunction with all of the above is specific to the shocks. It tailors the shock firmness to aide those systems along with all the other benefits on ride quality and body roll for handling.
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Old Aug 6, 2013 | 01:40 PM
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MSRC is a requirement in my opinion. It makes a very good car great, be that a Corvette, Camaro, Cadillac, or Ferrari. It is a proven technology that has only gotten better with every application.
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Old Aug 6, 2013 | 01:53 PM
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Thanks for the explanation. I was thinking it might be like the system in my BMW X3. The Bimmer comes standard with a mode select switch that allows you to choose between ecco, comfort, sport and sport plus modes. Changing modes will change suspension stiffness, steering effort, throttle responce and traction control off. They also have an optional suspension upgrade which is similar the the MSRC.
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MSRC is a requirement in my opinion. It makes a very good car great, be that a Corvette, Camaro, Cadillac, or Ferrari. It is a proven technology that has only gotten better with every application.
I loved it on my 09 and 12' and will not have a Vette without it.
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Originally Posted by pmzangag
Thanks for the explanation. I was thinking it might be like the system in my BMW X3. The Bimmer comes standard with a mode select switch that allows you to choose between ecco, comfort, sport and sport plus modes. Changing modes will change suspension stiffness, steering effort, throttle responce and traction control off. They also have an optional suspension upgrade which is similar the the MSRC.
What you are describing is very much in line with the Stingray's Driver Mode Selector which will allow the settings of Weather, Eco, Tour, Sport and Track and will adjust up to 12 vehicle parameters including suspension (if equipped with MSRC) throttle response, steering effort, level of traction control and active handling intervention, Performance Traction Management and more. It just doesn't affect the suspension unless equipped with the MSRC.
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Originally Posted by talon90
I'll offer a little information on the way the system works in the text below. It is not just about shock size and how they compare to the other shock and suspension packages on the models. All current and next generation Corvettes have shocks and transverse mounted leaf springs. Each of the models has specific springs, specific shocks and sway bars designed to enhance the ride and performance (and eliminate the trade-offs between the two). That is where the similarity ends between the MSRC and conventional shocks.

The MSRC is a lot more than the sum of it's parts. For me, the magnetic selective ride control is worth every penny when you consider what it is, what it does and how it works. I had hoped to never own another Corvette that doesn't have it.

The shocks are like traditional shocks but they are filled with a magnetically active fluid. This fluid called magnetorheological, has iron particles suspended in the fluid. Outside the shock are electromagnets that are used to align the iron particles in the shock and by moving the particles they change the apparent viscosity of the fluid which in turn causes a softer or firmer shock bump and rebound.

The shock also has an active component in that sensors on the shock body monitor the movement of the shock and again by changing the viscosity of the fluid with the magnets work to keep the wheels on the road surface during periods of uneven terrain and bumps. By changing the way the shock moves it can help it react to changing road conditions and isolate the driver from those changes by adjusting the shocks. It makes these readings and adjustments 1,000 times per second.

The last component of the MSRC (magnetic selective ride control) is it's integration with the active handling system, the eLSD, the steering and the PTM. During hard cornering or periods when the car is losing traction the system will firm up or soften a particular shock to aide in regaining traction or helping with the turn.

The car will have very different handling characteristics and feel between the two modes if you know what you are looking for. If you don't, you may not notice it. Changing between the modes and moving the steering wheel side to side rapidly you should feel a difference in the amount of roll or lean that you feel in the body at a minimum.

Lastly, it isn't something that can be added after the fact. It either comes from the factory with it, or it doesn't. It is a programmed, electronically controlled semi-active suspension. You can't just bolt on the shocks and call it magnetic ride. In addition to the springs and Magneto-rheological shocks which could be purchased, It needs a contol system and the hooks in the active handling and all of the control software to interface with the shocks. If you don't get installed upfront, those things can't be integrated at a later time.
Thanks again for a very insightful and enlightening explanation. No one should have very many questions now.
Maybe this could be made a sticky.
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Old Aug 6, 2013 | 10:40 PM
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Talon, you seem very informed on the matter. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by tnspd
I believe the system is the same as my ZL1 and it is very well worth the money. You cannot add it in later. FYI, if you plan to lower the car then dont get it. You will have to remove it when you lower the car to put the front lowering springs on.
Pretty sure this last statement can't be true for the corvette. It does not use the same type of springs as the camaro. Someone please correct me if I am wrong here, but I think you can still lower the vette on the stock bolts (as has been the case since the C5), and retain the MSRC without effecting it. If I had to choose between MSRC and lowering the stingray that would be a tough choice...
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Originally Posted by speedlink
Thanks again for a very insightful and enlightening explanation. No one should have very many questions now.
Maybe this could be made a sticky.
Agree, great post Talon. And yes, the MSRC is a key component on the Z51's track magic (and the ZR1 / Z07 as well). So I would get it.

That said, the value is in getting the top performance out of the car. If your Corvette will be a cruise car ( and there is nothing wrong with that), then it and the Z51 may not be worth the extra $$$$. But I don't see much sense in getting the Z51 and not the MSRC.
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Old Aug 9, 2013 | 01:12 PM
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I know with the BMW equivalent of the Active Handling System you can adjust individual parameters to mix and match - (eg touring category steering effort with sport category ride firmness). Anyone know if the C7 will have that customization ability? And do your settings get stored so you don't have to reset them when you turn the car on again?
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Originally Posted by DevonK
I know with the BMW equivalent of the Active Handling System you can adjust individual parameters to mix and match - (eg touring category steering effort with sport category ride firmness). Anyone know if the C7 will have that customization ability? And do your settings get stored so you don't have to reset them when you turn the car on again?
I recently test-drove a 535i with M-Sport and adaptive dampers, and I don't think you can mix and match like that on BMW's M-Drive system. I don't know about the reset, but the C7 system parameters are configurable as you suggest, from what I have seen. For instance, I believe you could combine a lot of steering assist with soft suspension setting if you want on the Vette - not so on the BMW as the combos are pre-set for you. That's the way I understand it, anyway. But if you have MSRC + Z51, that is like having M-Drive + adaptive dampers in the BMW. There is one difference though: I don't think the C7 adjusts throttle plate response as the BMW does. I doubt it's a big issue: the C7's DI should provide very sharp throttle response, and the BMW throttles have always been on the sluggish side, so that's a wash probably. A sharp, well modulated throttle is always better than a not-so-responsive adjustable one anyway.

I just recently got an E350 Sport for my wife (Ok and me too) and a key area where it won out over the 535 was throttle response. The Merc's is not adjustable, but it is just better overall - razor-sharp yet very controllable.

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When I want a softer ride on my '03 then I put it on Touring, works great but I don't want to eventually have to pay for new shocks.
Will continuous driving in "Touring" wear out shocks faster?
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Old Aug 28, 2013 | 03:17 PM
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I currently have F55 Magnetic select ride on my C6 and love it. That said the GM people at Carlisle said the standard base suspension will outperform my current C6. I am only using about 80% of my current system (.8G laterally and speeds up to 130mph). I have decided to purchase without the Z51 package and magnetic ride, saving almost $5,000 with tax. If I am not satisfied, I'll trade it off on one with the options.
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Originally Posted by TTRotary
I recently test-drove a 535i with M-Sport and adaptive dampers, and I don't think you can mix and match like that on BMW's M-Drive system. I don't know about the reset, but the C7 system parameters are configurable as you suggest, from what I have seen. For instance, I believe you could combine a lot of steering assist with soft suspension setting if you want on the Vette - not so on the BMW as the combos are pre-set for you. That's the way I understand it, anyway. But if you have MSRC + Z51, that is like having M-Drive + adaptive dampers in the BMW. There is one difference though: I don't think the C7 adjusts throttle plate response as the BMW does. I doubt it's a big issue: the C7's DI should provide very sharp throttle response, and the BMW throttles have always been on the sluggish side, so that's a wash probably. A sharp, well modulated throttle is always better than a not-so-responsive adjustable one anyway.

I just recently got an E350 Sport for my wife (Ok and me too) and a key area where it won out over the 535 was throttle response. The Merc's is not adjustable, but it is just better overall - razor-sharp yet very controllable.
Hmmm I thought throttle progression was one of the 12 params?
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When it comes to resale, sophisticated buyers won't touch a used C7 without Z51/MRSC in most cases.
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Old Aug 28, 2013 | 04:33 PM
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Thank you Talon for the excellent explanation. Understanding more about it, I will be ordering it since I will be ordering the Z51 package. Although $1800 is alot of dough, on a $60k car, that's not a lot, especially when I plan to keep this car for at least 5-6 years. Over the long run, that's like $300/year, even if I don't use it. On the other hand, if I don't buy it, and wants it in the future, I would have to sell this car and buy a new one, which will be much more than $1800 considering the depreciation of the old car and the price of the new one, not including the headaches involve in selling/buying a new car.
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So glad I found this thread. I ordered my 2015 Z51 without the magnetic selective ride control, but after reading the comments in here I went down and amended my order to include it. The dealer told me that he was sure I was going to keep the car for a long time, but said by adding the MSRC I was gaining more if I trade it in than the extra cost.

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the shock units would be leaking...my understanding is this can occur, but rarely, with normal street usage.
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