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I spent a few years brokering 'vettes. I can tell you that if you expect more than $.20 on the dollar for what you spent on mods, you are smoking something I'd like to get my hands on. Usually it's more like $.10.
Don't think I ever said anywhere what I expect to get back?
But because you brought it up.. Out of the numerous modified cars I have sold, I have been pretty successful getting at least .30 on the dollar back. Sometimes, up to .50 on the dollar (depending on mods and car type). If you involve any dealerships, you are lucky to get ANYTHING back.
There are many variables in this, also.. What kind of deal you got on the car in the first place, type of car, type of mods, where and how you sell it, and especially to WHO you sell it.
I'm still curious if I said somewhere that I expect to get a ton back for my mods. Perhaps I need some of what YOU are smoking, lol.
This forum is full of enthusiast so most the ones in the FS section are modded. I see a heavily modded Vette maybe once ever two months if that. The rest are chrome here, chrome there, lots of tire shine and maybe tinted windows.
Yes the C7 is a huge improvement for someone like me that doesn't like to be like everyone else it's going to be a big step because it will take months before the aftermarket starts producing mods and possibly 6-12+months before a Turbo kit comes to market.
I absolutely agree with you here. I'm sure this forum has a stronger concentration of mod'ers over "waxers" (no derogatory intention here). I've been to plenty of shows and cruises and know what you mean. Now, for someone like me, the smart thing is to wait a couple, three years and buy a 2014 Z51 and mod it from there. Especially if the Z-car is the same displacement only FI'd. The only real reason to wait for the hi po version is that it can be warrantied, and will resale better than a modded Vette, for the most part. (assuming it has enough performance, for the buyer)
Originally Posted by HummelS
I spent a few years brokering 'vettes. I can tell you that if you expect more than $.20 on the dollar for what you spent on mods, you are smoking something I'd like to get my hands on. Usually it's more like $.10.
I feel like he was more referring to driving pleasure investment rather than financial investment. The only real way to recoupe even a decent dollar on modifications is to find the right buyer, I think this is pretty much common knowledge). But most of these folks would just as soon modify the car themselves to their taste, common trait to most gear heads (no derogatory intention here)
I feel like he was more referring to driving pleasure investment rather than financial investment. The only real way to recoupe even a decent dollar on modifications is to find the right buyer, I think this is pretty much common knowledge). But most of these folks would just as soon modify the car themselves to their taste, common trait to most gear heads (no derogatory intention here)
I hear you, but in my experience, finding the "right buyer" for a modded 'vette is a tough row to hoe. You are absolutely correct about people wanting to do mods themselves. The "right buyer" may be out there, but good luck finding him/her, because mods raise a lot of questions on the part of a buyer, especially performance mods that indicate the car may have been "beat on."
Looks plenty fast to me, I guess not for some. Everyone has their own situation and limitations on what they can spend on cars. Cars and Americans are linked in a way most nationalities cannot understand. It isn't completely unique to America but we sure set the standard for that emotional tie to cars. I say do what works for you, because at some point we realize this infatuation is somewhat ridiculous. People want to be the first and in 6 months that too, won't matter much if at all. I can't buy one right now, not because I can't afford it. Because I can't justify saying these options are exactly what I want without touching them, feeling them and testing them. I want the perfect car or me and I've seen every picture on the Internet, but I still can't tell you if the red interior is Brembo brake red or some weird burgundy color. I can't tell if Cyber gray is dark or more like the promo shots with all the lights on it. Those are only a few examples.
Go with what fits you and every person is different. At the end of the day it is a lousy investment that you are buying to give you thrills, joy and for some poor souls, meaning. But it has to work for you and no one else ( unless of course, you are married)
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I have an 08 C6Z currently making 575RWHP and soon over 600RWHP. Has Penske coilovers, aero, wheels, ect.
I can't justify a base model C7.. I know they will be cool cars that's for sure, but I also KNOW I would want the variant when it arrives.
On top of that, I probably would not want the first year C7Z either. Think 06 C6Z and all of the upgrades in the later years which helps resale a lot..
Therefore.. I plan on keeping my 08 C6Z until at least the 2nd year, MAYBE the third year of the C7Z.
I realize some people would say I'm missing out on years of enjoyment, but this is what makes the most sense to me..
I had an 07 C6Z before, and I wanted an 08+ while I had it.. Now I have an 08..
I don't think I'm missing out I guess.. My Z will be faster then any new Z that comes out..
I know I'll be envious when the Z first comes out, but I think it's best to wait out the first year of it..
Whatcha think?
Your plan is sound. There will be changes in the second model year. GM is not a company with an unlimited engineering budget for this car. The second and third year cars will be very stable in quality. Every year after will have minor changes.
Also, the C7Z will need to be priced around 80-85K to go on it.. If it's 100K like some have said, forget it.
Look what the competition costs. A wimpy base 911 with a few options will run you a hundred grand in a heartbeat and gets stomped on the way home by a Mustang GT!
The C7 should be an exceptionally strong piece with a tune and an animal with some LTs.
Look what the competition costs. A wimpy base 911 with a few options will run you a hundred grand in a heartbeat and gets stomped on the way home by a Mustang GT!
The C7 should be an exceptionally strong piece with a tune and an animal with some LTs.
Yup, I'd never spend the money on a new 911.
No doubt the C7 will be strong with a few bolt ons and a tune. About as fast as a C6Z lol just playin.
Your plan is sound. There will be changes in the second model year. GM is not a company with an unlimited engineering budget for this car. The second and third year cars will be very stable in quality. Every year after will have minor changes.
Point exactly.. Look at 08/09 C6Z's vs 06/07. Both in changes, and resale.
If I can manage the torture of waiting, I'll wait till the third year of C7Z. Might go on the second year if I just can't wait.
Also, the C7Z will need to be priced around 80-85K to go on it.. If it's 100K like some have said, forget it.
Originally Posted by drmustang
Look what the competition costs. A wimpy base 911 with a few options will run you a hundred grand in a heartbeat and gets stomped on the way home by a Mustang GT!
The C7 should be an exceptionally strong piece with a tune and an animal with some LTs.
Originally Posted by JsnMR2
Yup, I'd never spend the money on a new 911.
No doubt the C7 will be strong with a few bolt ons and a tune. About as fast as a C6Z lol just playin.
As far as the Z- version, or whatever it will be, keep this in mind. GM wisely chose a chassis that can support much more than the LT1 we have now. So, if creating a "very interesting" high performance model is really just a matter of power plant and a few supporting bits and pieces, and perhaps even a wider stance, 600+ hp under $80K would be very achievable, given they can use the same chassis.
I have an 08 C6Z currently making 575RWHP and soon over 600RWHP. Has Penske coilovers, aero, wheels, ect.
I can't justify a base model C7.. I know they will be cool cars that's for sure, but I also KNOW I would want the variant when it arrives.
On top of that, I probably would not want the first year C7Z either. Think 06 C6Z and all of the upgrades in the later years which helps resale a lot..
Therefore.. I plan on keeping my 08 C6Z until at least the 2nd year, MAYBE the third year of the C7Z.
I realize some people would say I'm missing out on years of enjoyment, but this is what makes the most sense to me..
I had an 07 C6Z before, and I wanted an 08+ while I had it.. Now I have an 08..
I don't think I'm missing out I guess.. My Z will be faster then any new Z that comes out..
I know I'll be envious when the Z first comes out, but I think it's best to wait out the first year of it..
Whatcha think?
You are spot on if your top priority is the few tenths of a second the 2008 Z06 is faster than a C7.
I have an 08 C6Z currently making 575RWHP and soon over 600RWHP. Has Penske coilovers, aero, wheels, ect.
I can't justify a base model C7.. I know they will be cool cars that's for sure, but I also KNOW I would want the variant when it arrives.
On top of that, I probably would not want the first year C7Z either. Think 06 C6Z and all of the upgrades in the later years which helps resale a lot..
Therefore.. I plan on keeping my 08 C6Z until at least the 2nd year, MAYBE the third year of the C7Z.
I realize some people would say I'm missing out on years of enjoyment, but this is what makes the most sense to me..
I had an 07 C6Z before, and I wanted an 08+ while I had it.. Now I have an 08..
I don't think I'm missing out I guess.. My Z will be faster then any new Z that comes out..
I know I'll be envious when the Z first comes out, but I think it's best to wait out the first year of it..
Whatcha think?
You are not missing out on anything if you are happy with what you have.
You are spot on if your top priority is the few tenths of a second the 2008 Z06 is faster than a C7.
Except my Z06 is a lot more then a few tenths of a second faster then the C7 is/will be. I'm making in the neighborhood of 120-130 RWHP more then a stock C6Z does, as I pointed out before.
No offense to anyone, but I've just never been a fan of the base vettes. C5, C6, whatever. I know the C7 will be exciting at first arrival, and no doubt it will be nice, but that feeling for me at least will probably wear off. (esp once C7Z's are on the road)
For me, if I KNOW I will want to acquire a C7Z at some point, I could not waste money on a base C7 that I know will be dumped shortly on a C7Z. Big waste of money IMO. ESP since I already have a bad habit of wasting money I'll never get back on mods.
I will play devil advocate here. I have been considering a C6Z at some point but now are going to switch to a C7. The new C7 has moved the bar. It has almost the performance of the C6z, a new chassis and body, and all the other new features for a lot less than a Z06. I feel the the C6z06's are going to drop in market price. I have seen a steady rise in the used Z06 pricing. You could buy them clean in the 35-37k price range- not now. Once the C 7 is in the market and people put tunes and headers on them they will be as fast as a C6Z.
I have an 08 C6Z currently making 575RWHP and soon over 600RWHP. Has Penske coilovers, aero, wheels, ect.
I can't justify a base model C7.. I know they will be cool cars that's for sure, but I also KNOW I would want the variant when it arrives.
On top of that, I probably would not want the first year C7Z either. Think 06 C6Z and all of the upgrades in the later years which helps resale a lot..
Therefore.. I plan on keeping my 08 C6Z until at least the 2nd year, MAYBE the third year of the C7Z.
I realize some people would say I'm missing out on years of enjoyment, but this is what makes the most sense to me..
I had an 07 C6Z before, and I wanted an 08+ while I had it.. Now I have an 08..
I don't think I'm missing out I guess.. My Z will be faster then any new Z that comes out..
I know I'll be envious when the Z first comes out, but I think it's best to wait out the first year of it..
Whatcha think?
An '08? Pretty soon you'll be able to register it as an antique!
I think you're getting held up on the power numbers.
What many here seem to forget (or not think about at all) is that you can always (and easily) make more power. What isn't easy is getting the rest of the package. You can make 600RWHP all day long with any car, but at the end of the day, it's still that same car.
Try to get all the tech and features from the C7 in to a C6 and you'll spend more money than you would just buying a C7. If the power of the C7 (standard or Z07) isn't enough, but the rest of the package is tempting, why not buy the C7 (any variant) and mod it? Then you get the best of both worlds. A supercharger alone will put you at power levels you're looking for.
I have an 08 C6Z currently making 575RWHP and soon over 600RWHP. Has Penske coilovers, aero, wheels, ect.
I can't justify a base model C7.. I know they will be cool cars that's for sure, but I also KNOW I would want the variant when it arrives.
On top of that, I probably would not want the first year C7Z either. Think 06 C6Z and all of the upgrades in the later years which helps resale a lot..
Therefore.. I plan on keeping my 08 C6Z until at least the 2nd year, MAYBE the third year of the C7Z.
I realize some people would say I'm missing out on years of enjoyment, but this is what makes the most sense to me..
I had an 07 C6Z before, and I wanted an 08+ while I had it.. Now I have an 08..
I don't think I'm missing out I guess.. My Z will be faster then any new Z that comes out..
I know I'll be envious when the Z first comes out, but I think it's best to wait out the first year of it..
Whatcha think?
My plan word for word. I might add with our Z Vettes we aren't missing out on anything. They are a piece of rolling art for us to drive and the car guy public to enjoy.