Leather 2LT vs 3LT durability - CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion


C7 General Discussion
General C7 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Leather 2LT vs 3LT durability

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-23-2013, 02:32 PM   #1
b4i4getit
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
b4i4getit's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: Toronto Ontario Canada
Posts: 6,743
Thanked 224 Times in 157 Posts
Default Leather 2LT vs 3LT durability

Can anybody make a qualitative statement about the leather seat quality on the 3LT ? Is the Nappa leather actually that much better ?
I was never a fan of the C6 leather and my drivers seat has many creases and wrinkles. I don't know if the 2LT or 3LT would be a better choice with regard to wear and don't know much about leather.
b4i4getit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 02:43 PM   #2
Br0
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Oct 2013
Posts: 129
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Google:

Types of Leather

In the tanning process that gives us leather from animal rawhide, several steps are performed to remove the animal hair, skin, etc. Depending on degree of this processing and which of these steps are or are not performed, we get four basic types of leather.
•Full-grain: This is the kind of leather in which the epidermis of the animal skin has not been removed. Also, no corrective processes have been performed on full grain leather to get rid of the natural marks that may be present on the skin.
•Top-grain: This is the kind of leather in which the top grain and split layer has been removed. This is softer than full-grain leather, also cheaper, and less susceptible to spoiling.
•Corrected-grain: This kind of leather has an artificial grain applied to it, to hide the corrections made. Also, this kind of leather can be given various artificial colors by pigmentation.
•Split: Split leather refers to the leather made out of the fibrous part of the animal rawhide that is left over after the top-grain has been removed from it.
Nappa Leather

Nappa leather is a kind of full-grain leather. It was first made by Emanuel Manasse in the year 1875. Manasse worked for a tanning company in Napa, California. That is how the leather gets its name. As stated previously, Nappa leather is a full-grain leather. The leather is made from kid, lamb or sheep skin, and it is 'unsplit'. The tanning process for this leather makes us of artificial tannins such as aluminum sulfate, chromium sulfate and other such salts. Nappa leather is typically dyed so as to obtain various colors.

Properties of Nappa Leather

1.The leather is very soft and pliable. It is not hard like other leathers and does not crease.
2.The leather is tough and durable in spite of being soft. It is not easily spoiled.
3.The leather has an intact top-grain. Hence, it is more "breathable" and does not retain moisture.
4.The leather often develops a patina over the years that adds to its aesthetics.


BTW, Nappa is only available in the 3LT iirc
Br0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 02:44 PM   #3
vincent_esq
CF Senior Member
 
vincent_esq's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2004
Location: Bakersfield CA
Posts: 369
Thanked 12 Times in 7 Posts
Default

I just got back from shopping for leather couch and so was educated a little on this by the saleswoman. Please correct me if I am wrong, but she said that leather can be split into three layers. The top layer is called top grain leather. That is second to the best, and is usually on high quality leather sofas. The second middle layer is called split grain, and I think that's what most leather are made from. There is even a bottom third layer, and I forgot what she said about that. I think they use that combine with polyurethane to make what is called "bonded leather", which only consist of 17% leather. It's sort of like hardwood (real leather) and particle board (bonded leather).
Last but not least, Napa leather is the best. It is full grain, which means, the full 3 layers of the skin are used. It is the most durable and the softest, and are usually on high end furniture and high end autos.
vincent_esq is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 02:47 PM   #4
KenHorse
End of an Error!
Support Corvetteforum!
St. Jude Donor '11-'12-'13, '16-'17
 
KenHorse's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Location: Aurora, OR by way of Maui..... Being a Liberal is being comfortably dumb
Posts: 88,865
Thanked 40 Times in 35 Posts
Default



KenHorse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 02:50 PM   #5
b4i4getit
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
b4i4getit's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: Toronto Ontario Canada
Posts: 6,743
Thanked 224 Times in 157 Posts
Default

Thanks for the info. I am leaning toward the 2LT but will wait until someone here with 2LT can advise about the quality.
b4i4getit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 02:52 PM   #6
Br0
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Oct 2013
Posts: 129
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Nappa is overrated imho
Br0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 03:00 PM   #7
VNAMVET
CF Senior Member
 
VNAMVET's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 1999
Location: FL
Posts: 6,652
Thanked 34 Times in 24 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b4i4getit View Post
Thanks for the info. I am leaning toward the 2LT but will wait until someone here with 2LT can advise about the quality.
I have a 2 LT Z-51 with red adrenaline leather. It is very soft and supple and feels great like a high end pair of gloves. the stitching is red and perfect I hope that helps.
VNAMVET is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 03:01 PM   #8
Jimbob26
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Member Since: Jul 2013
Location: Danville California
Posts: 870
Thanked 59 Times in 47 Posts
Default

Dang, I thought I was getting Corinthian Leather.
Jimbob26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 03:12 PM   #9
Daekwan06
CF Senior Member
 
Daekwan06's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2011
Location: Arlington VA
Posts: 4,204
Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts
Default

Would be very helpful if the dealer had both 2LT and 3LT samples so we could tell the difference ourselves.
Daekwan06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 03:32 PM   #10
Bandit's Vette
CF Member
 
Member Since: Oct 2013
Location: Huntsville Alabama
Posts: 60
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

I have sat in both about a few weeks ago at the dealership. In my opinion, I can feel the difference. I like the 3LT feel more than the 2LT. But is it worth the $4k price tag? I think so, thats why I ordered my vert in the 3LT package
Bandit's Vette is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 04:20 PM   #11
JerryU
2017 GS, M7,Loc. SC
Support Corvetteforum!
 
JerryU's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 8,247
Thanked 1,280 Times in 986 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b4i4getit View Post
Can anybody make a qualitative statement about the leather seat quality on the 3LT ? Is the Nappa leather actually that much better ?
I was never a fan of the C6 leather and my drivers seat has many creases and wrinkles. I don't know if the 2LT or 3LT would be a better choice with regard to wear and don't know much about leather.
From what I have seen, it depends on what color youíre getting. If Black, I wonder if it really makes a lot of difference. If Kalahari, 3LT is the best choice (in my opinion) as you get most of the dash in that color. Note the front ~5 inches by the windshield is black leather so there are no reflection issues. The other colors kind of fall in-between. I have the 3LT Kalahari with Crystal Red Tint Coat and love it. Canít compare leathers but my seats feel great. Have had lots of folks say how rich it looks.
JerryU is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 05:51 PM   #12
c5vette73
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: May 2000
Location: miami, florida, usa
Posts: 450
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerryU View Post
From what I have seen, it depends on what color youíre getting. If Black, I wonder if it really makes a lot of difference. If Kalahari, 3LT is the best choice (in my opinion) as you get most of the dash in that color. Note the front ~5 inches by the windshield is black leather so there are no reflection issues. The other colors kind of fall in-between. I have the 3LT Kalahari with Crystal Red Tint Coat and love it. Canít compare leathers but my seats feel great. Have had lots of folks say how rich it looks.
I personally think the 3LT kalahari is overdone.

Way too much kalahari on the dash.

It would have been nicer if they would have followed the adrenaline red and gray pattern on the dash.
c5vette73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 05:55 PM   #13
Trackaholic
CF Senior Member
 
Trackaholic's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2013
Posts: 596
Thanked 17 Times in 8 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by c5vette73 View Post
I personally think the 3LT kalahari is overdone.

Way too much kalahari on the dash.

It would have been nicer if they would have followed the adrenaline red and gray pattern on the dash.
I agree. I like the Kalahari color, but would go with 2LT for the reason you mentioned. If they had done the strip of color as on the red and gray, the choice would be more difficult for me.

-T
Trackaholic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 08:55 PM   #14
Carnut12
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,075
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Default

I think it is worth the price difference, if I ordered a Car I would absolutely get the 3LT. Then again I usually buy all my cars fully loaded.
Carnut12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 09:01 PM   #15
KenHorse
End of an Error!
Support Corvetteforum!
St. Jude Donor '11-'12-'13, '16-'17
 
KenHorse's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Location: Aurora, OR by way of Maui..... Being a Liberal is being comfortably dumb
Posts: 88,865
Thanked 40 Times in 35 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnut12 View Post
Then again I usually buy all my cars fully loaded.
Much like my women!

(I ordered a 2LT though)
KenHorse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 09:08 PM   #16
NoOne
CF Senior Member
 
NoOne's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 1999
Location: Auburn Hills MI
Posts: 24,049
Thanked 96 Times in 67 Posts
Default

I think the amount GM is charging is high considering the quality of the 3LT leather is sub par for the cost.

You'll pretty pretty close in price to doing an aftermarket leather interior if you do not consider the NAV price.

Your at 4K, slightly more than that will get you something from Carvaggio but your picking the color you want and a much higher quality of leather.

Since GPS is useless to me I'm going with 2LT and an aftermarket interior with something from Carvaggio. I went back and forth between 2LT and 3LT but in the end the little extra money spent, and it may not even be extra depending on how far I go, will get me much higher quality materials and workman ship.

The only thing it did was making picking the exterior color more difficult.
NoOne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 12:01 AM   #17
JerryU
2017 GS, M7,Loc. SC
Support Corvetteforum!
 
JerryU's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2007
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 8,247
Thanked 1,280 Times in 986 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NoOne View Post
I think the amount GM is charging is high considering the quality of the 3LT leather is sub par for the cost.

You'll pretty pretty close in price to doing an aftermarket leather interior if you do not consider the NAV price.

Your at 4K, slightly more than that will get you something from Carvaggio but your picking the color you want and a much higher quality of leather.

Since GPS is useless to me I'm going with 2LT and an aftermarket interior with something from Carvaggio. I went back and forth between 2LT and 3LT but in the end the little extra money spent, and it may not even be extra depending on how far I go, will get me much higher quality materials and workman ship.

The only thing it did was making picking the exterior color more difficult.
If you’re not going to have someone install custom leather – the 3LT is a good choice. For those who don’t want to spend the extra $$’s for the 3LT you can justify the difference by quoting a $4000 premium but it’s really $3000. [$8005-($4210 + $795 for NAV) = $3000] Perhaps you like watching your smart phone for navigation but I think the NAV info going up to the HUD when you’re close to a change in direction is a great feature. Usually not a good time to take your eye's off the road-if there ever is! Had NAV in my C6 and the C7 NAV is better. Again, you can argue the price if you don’t want to spend the money, but having the audio system automatically mute when an important change in direction is needed is worth it to me.
Assuming you want the NAV option, is $3000 worth the improved leather and better-looking (in my opinion) extra leather? A subjective decision. But then again so is a $1995 carbon fiber look roof-I sprang for both!

Last edited by JerryU; 10-24-2013 at 10:37 AM.
JerryU is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 12:53 AM   #18
NoOne
CF Senior Member
 
NoOne's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 1999
Location: Auburn Hills MI
Posts: 24,049
Thanked 96 Times in 67 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerryU View Post
If youíre not going to have someone install custom leather Ė the 3LT is a good choice. For those who donít want to spend the extra Sís for the 3LT you can justify the difference by quoting a $4000 premium but itís really $3000. [$8005-($4210 + $795 for NAV) = $3000] Perhaps you like watching your smart phone for navigation but I think the NAV info going up to the HUD when youíre close to a change in direction is a great feature. Usually not a good time to take your eye's off the road-if there ever is! Had NAV in my C6 and the C7 NAV is better. Again, you can argue the price if you donít want to spend the money, but having the audio system automatically mute when an important change in direction is needed is worth it to me.
Assuming you want the NAV option, is $3000 worth the improved leather and better-looking (in my opinion) extra leather- a subjective decision. But then again so is a $1995 carbon fiber look roof-I sprang for both!
Several nav apps uses BT to mute the car stereo and play the directions, same as how it interrupts for your phone to ring.

The biggest reason car nav is useless to me is the lack of ability to use it while moving in the least bit. They are almost always slower than phones to so even using it when stopped its difficult to get it finished at a stop light.

I've had NAV in my past 3 cars simply because I could not get a car without it and never touched it except to check it out the day we bought the car.

Considering my contacts, meetings in calendars with locations, etc its much more convenient on the phone.
NoOne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 02:32 AM   #19
Stingray23
CF Senior Member
 
Stingray23's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2006
Location: New York
Posts: 8,024
Thanked 77 Times in 36 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Br0 View Post
Nappa is overrated imho
lol. And I suppose the leather in your 3 series is better? I HATE that crap leather in BMW's.
Stingray23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 03:45 AM   #20
lve2xlr8
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Feb 2013
Posts: 205
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stingray23 View Post
lol. And I suppose the leather in your 3 series is better? I HATE that crap leather in BMW's.
The m3 has Nappa also
lve2xlr8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Go Back   CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion >
Reload this Page
  • Leather 2LT vs 3LT durability
  •  
     
    Reply

    Related Topics
    Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
    Leather question 1LT vs 2LT vs 3LT red62vette C7 General Discussion 18 09-08-2017 10:28 AM
    "Leather seats"....nope! Rob4092xx C7 General Discussion 68 08-27-2017 08:33 PM
    Leather treatment sstew C7 General Discussion 20 10-18-2015 10:04 AM
    My wife wants to know-where's the leather smell? Corgidog1 C7 General Discussion 20 05-18-2015 01:15 PM
    3LT Leather Quality and new Impala NoOne C7 General Discussion 14 07-21-2013 12:09 AM


    Thread Tools Search this Thread
    Search this Thread:

    Click for Advanced Search

    Posting Rules
    You may not post new threads
    You may not post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is On
    HTML code is Off
    Trackbacks are Off
    Pingbacks are Off
    Refbacks are Off

    Forum Jump

    Sponsored Ads
    Vendor Directory

    All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:49 AM.


    We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
     
    • Ask a Question
      Get answers from community experts
    Question Title:
    Description:
    Your question will be posted in: