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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 04:15 PM
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and not so much in this area, but the other side, at the wheel well probably looks worse, that's where it will show more....
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KenHorse
Quite honestly, I attended several presentations by one of the "insiders" on the C7 and one highlighted feature was how a much stiffer frame and new composite materials used in the body panels allowed for much closer inter-panel spacing and tighter tolerances (as I remember, the figure was 3 mm as opposed to the previous 7 or 8).

I'm not ragging about this but I would expect superior fitment than that pic shows, based solely on GM provided information.

Just sayin'......
3 mm is ~.118" or nearly an 1/8". I guarantee that photo (magnified as it is) shows an actual panel gap of 2 to 2.5 mm when viewed at scale by an eye.

Just sayin'.........
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 04:22 PM
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You may not see a reason for them, but others do. I mean, other car manufacturers since it goes back at least ten+ years of being on different cars. I saw them on a 2003 Infiniti. I'd bet others had them, from the factory, on older cars.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by talon90
3 mm is ~.118" or nearly an 1/8". I guarantee that photo (magnified as it is) shows an actual panel gap of 2 to 2.5 mm when viewed at scale by an eye.

Just sayin'.........
The gap width itself isn't the issue that I see. The offset of the upper panel to the lower one is the issue I'm referring to
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sam90lx
It's called Blinders!
No actually it isn't. It's called having a very thorough knowledge of composite materials and the SMC molding process. It's called understanding of tolerance stack up and design for manufacture and assembly.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jagamajajaran
The orange peel stuck out to me in those pics.

It wouldn't be a Corvette with out OP. You ought to see the area on mine, in the cove, that's part of the rear fenders, where you open the doors.....
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by talon90
No actually it isn't. It's called having a very thorough knowledge of composite materials and the SMC molding process. It's called understanding of tolerance stack up and design for manufacture and assembly.
I agree... no blinders here. I have seen some panel gaps in C7s posted here but in the picture above, that variance is so small that it isn't a fitment issue IMO. I would bet you could find such a small tolerance difference on most any car somewhere if you looked hard enough for it. But, hey, it's much more interesting to find a problem than to not two
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gthal
I agree... no blinders here. I have seen some panel gaps in C7s posted here but in the picture above, that variance is so small that it isn't a fitment issue IMO. I would bet you could find such a small tolerance difference on most any car somewhere if you looked hard enough for it. But, hey, it's much more interesting to find a problem than to not two
Actually, I would argue that since GM's target audience isn't folks well versed in composites and manufacturing tolerances, that's a pretty weak argument to make
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 05:24 PM
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The C7 will never do right by some people and it never will. That's just the way it goes. Back when I lived in Virginia I became good friends with a guy who owned a body shop which catered to high end cars. I would take my GTO there because I knew how much care they put into their work. Anyway, he told me how frustrating it can be to work on handmade cars like Ferrari because it was next to impossible to get the panels to line up correctly and how the panel gap was completely inconsistent from one car to the next. I would rather deal with the C7's issues than what I described above on the exotic cars. Somehow, it's acceptable on them since they are hand crafted and no human is perfect.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by KenHorse
Actually, I would argue that since GM's target audience isn't folks well versed in composites and manufacturing tolerances, that's a pretty weak argument to make
That wasn't my point. I was suggesting the issue is so nominal on this particular car that unless you were TRYING to find something wrong when standing next to the car you wouldn't notice it. I would also bet you could find such nominal variances on most any car if you looked hard enough. I'm not suggesting that some cars didn't have a couple of panel fitment issues... they did... I'm suggesting some people are now trying to find problems so they can say they found a problem.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gthal
That wasn't my point. I was suggesting the issue is so nominal on this particular car that unless you were TRYING to find something wrong when standing next to the car you wouldn't notice it. I would also bet you could find such nominal variances on most any car if you looked hard enough. I'm not suggesting that some cars didn't have a couple of panel fitment issues... they did... I'm suggesting some people are now trying to find problems so they can say they found a problem.
Fair enough

(I'm really not this **** but some things are too obvious to me as to be ignored)
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 05:37 PM
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see what they mean now about the poor paint quality on red
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by texvette2
see what they mean now about the poor paint quality on red
Agreed... very noticeable. But, as I've said before, this is NOT a GM specific issue. My M3 looked the same (it was black). That's not an excuse because they should be better but it's not just on the C7.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bisha
Is this on all C7's and if so, what is it and why? I just noticed these "patches" (don't know what else to call them) on both sides of my car. They are behind each door and go down to the rocker panels and then forward about half the door length and are "glued" to the car. I do not see a reason for them and it seems that it is asking for future problems to expose seams of any sort to the road and weather elements that they will face over time.
Is this Torch Red or Crystal Red?
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 06:14 PM
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I sure hope the paint finish improves on these cars going forward.
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 06:16 PM
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Hate to say it, but Im gonna. Go look at a $30,000 Honda. or better yet a lexus. That's how you do panel gaps. They all should be even. And yes the Honda has better paint work.

GM, Come' on Man...................
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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 2K3Z06
Hate to say it, but Im gonna. Go look at a $30,000 Honda. or better yet a lexus. That's how you do panel gaps. They all should be even. And yes the Honda has better paint work.

GM, Come' on Man...................
Well, we just aren't subjected to macro photography of the Honda's panel gaps now are we? I guess if you want to stare at Honda's, go for it. Took me all of 10 seconds to find this Honda complaint thread and pics...
Interior gaps...

Orange peel...


Runs along the bottom...


http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/sh....php?p=1051791

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Old Nov 5, 2013 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueOx
Well, we just aren't subjected to macro photography of the Honda's panel gaps now are we? I guess if you want to stare at Honda's, go for it.
How about their paint finish?
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