Being lied to by local dealers
02-02-2014, 10:04 PM
#41
Team Owner
With all seriousness, that is really a stupid post.
If you want to pay $3,000.00 or more from your dealer than necessary for a new Corvette than is available nationally, which was the point, then go on and pay it since that's your preference. I can't help what you believe to be a non-stupid decision by paying MSRP or more.
Perhaps if you actually comprehended my response you would not think it was stupid.
02-02-2014, 10:15 PM
#42
Le Mans Master
$5,000.00 under and I buy the car...period...
02-03-2014, 09:54 AM
#43
Melting Slicks
$5,000 under MSRP might be possible for a heavily optioned no constraint Base car - Base 3LT with NPP, Clear Roof, Chrome Wheels, Painted Calipers = MSRP $65,000, Invoice $59,100; but not on a Base 1LT where the MSRP-Invoice is $4,800.
02-03-2014, 12:34 PM
#44
Banned Scam/Spammer
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see some GM incentives late summer/fall on the '14s.
02-03-2014, 02:04 PM
#46
My first post, looks like prices are all over the board yikes !!
Checking with dealers in the SoCal area my first quote was $79K for a stingray with a MSRP of $64K . Will post other offers as they come in.
Checking with dealers in the SoCal area my first quote was $79K for a stingray with a MSRP of $64K . Will post other offers as they come in.
02-03-2014, 05:21 PM
#47
Le Mans Master
Try Boardwalk Chevrolet right there in California. He will do MSRP for forum members...
02-04-2014, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by from OP
Dealer 2 said GM would not let them sell under msrp, if they did, GM would charge them back the amount they sold under msrp
02-04-2014, 02:49 PM
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This is in reply to two threads of similar themes. The principle difference is that in one it's prices and the other, unprincipled dealers.
The legitimacy of pricing is where the propensity to buy intersects the demand curve at price points (or something like that). Your inclinations to pay or not pay, whether the dealer will feel that he needs to negotiate to his disadvantage (likely never) or gouge (perhaps not IF he can get you later or has already done so) or decide to go out of business has nothing to do with YOUR wants.
You need to be educated as to product, competition and values to defend your capital.. The dealer's principal concern is staying open.
The demand for product will sustain price inequity. Profits will be taken at every opportunity by every link of that supply chain.
It's capitalism (actually here and just about everywhere oligopolies) and it sorta sucks because greed without purpose is the hallmark of this aging system. See those jobs going overseas? Do you think that the individual firms who have decided to maximize profits are going to now hire your neighbors because they NEED jobs?
Have you noticed that almost every advertisement is pointed to the well-to-do or the poor? Does it occur to you that this is part and parcel of a maturing despotic, fascist system.
The problem with congestion and bottlenecks in a supposedly free economy (Our is not unless you are in a small business. You know, the guys who are always gong bankrupt.) is that price pressures cause spikes. In a perfect economy, the demand will be responded to INSTANTLY. Guess what, that doesn't happen. Not when you are at capacity and you know that this capacity will soon be excessive. They want a shortage to forestall your negotiating techniques from being effective.
Not that I blame them. I understand how screwed up things are beyond the mere superficial BS. I still bought a 'vette or three because they are what I wanted and I thought the price was reasonable.
However, listening to some folks kvetch while you purchase expensive toys is none the less laughable. It's like complaining that your filet is overdone while the starving beggars pass by the window. You are, at least, reasonably successful and you moan of how the system you profit from is not always a downhill coast on your bicycles.
Whine much?
The legitimacy of pricing is where the propensity to buy intersects the demand curve at price points (or something like that). Your inclinations to pay or not pay, whether the dealer will feel that he needs to negotiate to his disadvantage (likely never) or gouge (perhaps not IF he can get you later or has already done so) or decide to go out of business has nothing to do with YOUR wants.
You need to be educated as to product, competition and values to defend your capital.. The dealer's principal concern is staying open.
The demand for product will sustain price inequity. Profits will be taken at every opportunity by every link of that supply chain.
It's capitalism (actually here and just about everywhere oligopolies) and it sorta sucks because greed without purpose is the hallmark of this aging system. See those jobs going overseas? Do you think that the individual firms who have decided to maximize profits are going to now hire your neighbors because they NEED jobs?
Have you noticed that almost every advertisement is pointed to the well-to-do or the poor? Does it occur to you that this is part and parcel of a maturing despotic, fascist system.
The problem with congestion and bottlenecks in a supposedly free economy (Our is not unless you are in a small business. You know, the guys who are always gong bankrupt.) is that price pressures cause spikes. In a perfect economy, the demand will be responded to INSTANTLY. Guess what, that doesn't happen. Not when you are at capacity and you know that this capacity will soon be excessive. They want a shortage to forestall your negotiating techniques from being effective.
Not that I blame them. I understand how screwed up things are beyond the mere superficial BS. I still bought a 'vette or three because they are what I wanted and I thought the price was reasonable.
However, listening to some folks kvetch while you purchase expensive toys is none the less laughable. It's like complaining that your filet is overdone while the starving beggars pass by the window. You are, at least, reasonably successful and you moan of how the system you profit from is not always a downhill coast on your bicycles.
Whine much?
02-04-2014, 02:57 PM
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02-04-2014, 04:16 PM
#52
This is in reply to two threads of similar themes. The principle difference is that in one it's prices and the other, unprincipled dealers.
The legitimacy of pricing is where the propensity to buy intersects the demand curve at price points (or something like that). Your inclinations to pay or not pay, whether the dealer will feel that he needs to negotiate to his disadvantage (likely never) or gouge (perhaps not IF he can get you later or has already done so) or decide to go out of business has nothing to do with YOUR wants.
You need to be educated as to product, competition and values to defend your capital.. The dealer's principal concern is staying open.
The demand for product will sustain price inequity. Profits will be taken at every opportunity by every link of that supply chain.
It's capitalism (actually here and just about everywhere oligopolies) and it sorta sucks because greed without purpose is the hallmark of this aging system. See those jobs going overseas? Do you think that the individual firms who have decided to maximize profits are going to now hire your neighbors because they NEED jobs?
Have you noticed that almost every advertisement is pointed to the well-to-do or the poor? Does it occur to you that this is part and parcel of a maturing despotic, fascist system.
The problem with congestion and bottlenecks in a supposedly free economy (Our is not unless you are in a small business. You know, the guys who are always gong bankrupt.) is that price pressures cause spikes. In a perfect economy, the demand will be responded to INSTANTLY. Guess what, that doesn't happen. Not when you are at capacity and you know that this capacity will soon be excessive. They want a shortage to forestall your negotiating techniques from being effective.
Not that I blame them. I understand how screwed up things are beyond the mere superficial BS. I still bought a 'vette or three because they are what I wanted and I thought the price was reasonable.
However, listening to some folks kvetch while you purchase expensive toys is none the less laughable. It's like complaining that your filet is overdone while the starving beggars pass by the window. You are, at least, reasonably successful and you moan of how the system you profit from is not always a downhill coast on your bicycles.
Whine much?
The legitimacy of pricing is where the propensity to buy intersects the demand curve at price points (or something like that). Your inclinations to pay or not pay, whether the dealer will feel that he needs to negotiate to his disadvantage (likely never) or gouge (perhaps not IF he can get you later or has already done so) or decide to go out of business has nothing to do with YOUR wants.
You need to be educated as to product, competition and values to defend your capital.. The dealer's principal concern is staying open.
The demand for product will sustain price inequity. Profits will be taken at every opportunity by every link of that supply chain.
It's capitalism (actually here and just about everywhere oligopolies) and it sorta sucks because greed without purpose is the hallmark of this aging system. See those jobs going overseas? Do you think that the individual firms who have decided to maximize profits are going to now hire your neighbors because they NEED jobs?
Have you noticed that almost every advertisement is pointed to the well-to-do or the poor? Does it occur to you that this is part and parcel of a maturing despotic, fascist system.
The problem with congestion and bottlenecks in a supposedly free economy (Our is not unless you are in a small business. You know, the guys who are always gong bankrupt.) is that price pressures cause spikes. In a perfect economy, the demand will be responded to INSTANTLY. Guess what, that doesn't happen. Not when you are at capacity and you know that this capacity will soon be excessive. They want a shortage to forestall your negotiating techniques from being effective.
Not that I blame them. I understand how screwed up things are beyond the mere superficial BS. I still bought a 'vette or three because they are what I wanted and I thought the price was reasonable.
However, listening to some folks kvetch while you purchase expensive toys is none the less laughable. It's like complaining that your filet is overdone while the starving beggars pass by the window. You are, at least, reasonably successful and you moan of how the system you profit from is not always a downhill coast on your bicycles.
Whine much?
. I don't care if it's a $70K car or a $7 dollar trinket DON'T LIE TO ME. I was in the retail business for over 30 years and always operated under the principle that you may be able to BS a customer for a while, but when he finds out you did, he's GONE. So don't do it.
02-04-2014, 04:19 PM
#53
This just shouldn't happen but unfortunately it does.
02-04-2014, 05:57 PM
#55
Le Mans Master
Now I could be wrong. I might have to settle for just $4,000.00 off, but I don't think so...
07-24-2019, 02:05 PM
#56
Called a local dealer in Dexter MI who first told me $1K refundable deposit, then later called back and said they wanted $5-10K deposit. I told them I ordered a 911 on $2K, there comment was the car will be in huge demand and they dont want to order one and then not be able to sell it? Hmmmmm.
Called Les Sanford in in Dearborn, $1K to get in line, another $1.5K when you actually order, all refundable. MSRP. Once they start build non-refundable but i find that off as well as the only cars availible for the first 6 months will probably be orders not delivered, and will fly off the lot at ADM.
Assuming you get in the first tier orders, December build for sometime Feb delivery, second tier in the spring. Hopefully there will be lots of detailed tests and reviews and a chance to touch/feel/drive prior to having to commit
Called Les Sanford in in Dearborn, $1K to get in line, another $1.5K when you actually order, all refundable. MSRP. Once they start build non-refundable but i find that off as well as the only cars availible for the first 6 months will probably be orders not delivered, and will fly off the lot at ADM.
Assuming you get in the first tier orders, December build for sometime Feb delivery, second tier in the spring. Hopefully there will be lots of detailed tests and reviews and a chance to touch/feel/drive prior to having to commit
07-25-2019, 01:31 AM
#57
Burning Brakes
quite a thread necro, but hey, these are crazy times.
07-25-2019, 02:49 AM
#58
Le Mans Master
But my small local dealership (Hurd Chevrolet, GMC). Pulled the classic bait-and-switch. Advertising their only C7 on AUTOTRADER.com
Up here the large GM corvette dealer has a corvette I called about, sorry was sold, bs the car has been listed at least 2 weeks that I know of, how long does it take to delete the ad?
07-25-2019, 07:32 AM
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07-25-2019, 07:59 AM
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