C7 Grand Sport???
04-15-2014, 02:27 PM
#21
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04-15-2014, 02:31 PM
#22
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My take is this GM addressed the issues everyone had with the wide body c6 z06 that is you now have removable roof, auto trans and it's in convertible form also. So I don't think they need to worry about a GS at this time it would cost more than a z51 and be almost if not as expensive as the Z06 take out the supercharged eng and that's the price break.
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04-15-2014, 02:36 PM
#23
Le Mans Master
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My take is this GM addressed the issues everyone had with the wide body c6 z06 that is you now have removable roof, auto trans and it's in convertible form also. So I don't think they need to worry about a GS at this time it would cost more than a z51 and be almost if not as expensive as the Z06 take out the supercharged eng and that's the price break.
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I have a feeling the Z06 will settle in around $80k, a few years from now, and a GS is a real possibility at $58 to $60k....we'll see.
04-15-2014, 03:14 PM
#24
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GS C6 coupe is $56,995(incl destination).
Z06 C6 is $76,595(including destination)
Of course the GS includes the Z51 option and has the additional brakes/wheels/ tires, body panels, etc from the Z06.
Base C7 coupe is $53,995, so adding that same $6,400 to it would price the C7 GS at $60,395.
That's a long ways off from the estimated $80,000 for the base Z06.
$20,000 savings would attract a lot of buyers to the C7 GS, that don't want a supercharger. The C6 Z06 was some $20,000 more than the GS coupe, and the GS was a sales success with it's $20,000 cheaper price vs the Z06.
04-15-2014, 03:51 PM
#25
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Base C6 coupe is $50,595(incl destination).
GS C6 coupe is $56,995(incl destination).
Z06 C6 is $76,595(including destination)
Of course the GS includes the Z51 option and has the additional brakes/wheels/ tires, body panels, etc from the Z06.
Base C7 coupe is $53,995, so adding that same $6,400 to it would price the C7 GS at $60,395.
That's a long ways off from the estimated $80,000 for the base Z06.
$20,000 savings would attract a lot of buyers to the C7 GS, that don't want a supercharger. The C6 Z06 was some $20,000 more than the GS coupe, and the GS was a sales success with it's $20,000 cheaper price vs the Z06.
GS C6 coupe is $56,995(incl destination).
Z06 C6 is $76,595(including destination)
Of course the GS includes the Z51 option and has the additional brakes/wheels/ tires, body panels, etc from the Z06.
Base C7 coupe is $53,995, so adding that same $6,400 to it would price the C7 GS at $60,395.
That's a long ways off from the estimated $80,000 for the base Z06.
$20,000 savings would attract a lot of buyers to the C7 GS, that don't want a supercharger. The C6 Z06 was some $20,000 more than the GS coupe, and the GS was a sales success with it's $20,000 cheaper price vs the Z06.
That's what I'm sayin'. 
04-15-2014, 04:13 PM
#26
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Base C6 coupe is $50,595(incl destination).
GS C6 coupe is $56,995(incl destination).
Z06 C6 is $76,595(including destination)
Of course the GS includes the Z51 option and has the additional brakes/wheels/ tires, body panels, etc from the Z06.
Base C7 coupe is $53,995, so adding that same $6,400 to it would price the C7 GS at $60,395.
That's a long ways off from the estimated $80,000 for the base Z06.
$20,000 savings would attract a lot of buyers to the C7 GS, that don't want a supercharger. The C6 Z06 was some $20,000 more than the GS coupe, and the GS was a sales success with it's $20,000 cheaper price vs the Z06.
GS C6 coupe is $56,995(incl destination).
Z06 C6 is $76,595(including destination)
Of course the GS includes the Z51 option and has the additional brakes/wheels/ tires, body panels, etc from the Z06.
Base C7 coupe is $53,995, so adding that same $6,400 to it would price the C7 GS at $60,395.
That's a long ways off from the estimated $80,000 for the base Z06.
$20,000 savings would attract a lot of buyers to the C7 GS, that don't want a supercharger. The C6 Z06 was some $20,000 more than the GS coupe, and the GS was a sales success with it's $20,000 cheaper price vs the Z06.
That's what I'm sayin'. with both of these. I have a '10 GS. It's an automatic and I couldn't care less if it had the dry sump oil system. I bought it, pure and simply, because I liked its looks better than a base Coupe. I like taking the roof off as often as possible but don't care for a convertible. I don't need to have the biggest and baddest engine on the block either. So a C7 GS would make perfect sense to me. There's no way I'd spend an extra $20,000 for things I don't want just to get a certain look that I do want - I love the looks of the C7 Z06 and would love to have that looks without the things I don't want or need. I think GM will do one but who knows when...
04-15-2014, 04:36 PM
#27
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I've highlighted an excellent point that you've made. The dry sump was only available with the M6, the A6 got the standard wet sump system.
I fall into that category myself!
I ordered my GS because I just loved the way it looked, and I always enjoy, and prefer a stick over an automatic.
I could not have cared less if it was stock lubrication, or wet sump. I'm sure most owners of the GS M6 feel that way, because only a few actually track their cars.
Here's some 2012 year end production figures the show my numbers are in the ball park...
As always, it's personal choice, but for me, I do hope GM makes a C7 GS.
That will definitely push me over the edge for a new C7.
I fall into that category myself!
I ordered my GS because I just loved the way it looked, and I always enjoy, and prefer a stick over an automatic.
I could not have cared less if it was stock lubrication, or wet sump. I'm sure most owners of the GS M6 feel that way, because only a few actually track their cars.
Here's some 2012 year end production figures the show my numbers are in the ball park...
As always, it's personal choice, but for me, I do hope GM makes a C7 GS.
That will definitely push me over the edge for a new C7.
So let me see...
GS Coupe & GS Vert = approx. 63% of sells.
I almost bought one myself but by a hair decided to get the C7.
I would like to order an AW C7 Z51 w/wide body,
pleaseI just don't know the model year yet
Sellers Remorse:
I sold my AW 2007 C6 (low miles) to seed my war chest for the C7.
This time my current C7 will stay in the family.
Because my son & daughter were aware of how I maintain my vehicles they were upset that I sold the C6.
Both SAID they would had bought the C6 from me.
When the GS-ish C7 comes out I'll get one, but I'll be keeping my 2014 C7 this time.
04-15-2014, 04:38 PM
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In the case of the C6 many people were using aftermarket or GM parts to go to the wide body long before the GS was released. GM reacted to what the market wanted and was rewarded with great sales numbers for the GS.
Question is how many C7 owners will convert their C7 to a wide body? I think that if the market shows it is popular GM will put a wide body GS option in the C7 line.
I hope they do, as I want one.
Question is how many C7 owners will convert their C7 to a wide body? I think that if the market shows it is popular GM will put a wide body GS option in the C7 line.
I hope they do, as I want one.
04-15-2014, 04:48 PM
#29
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A widebody C7. GS, without all the "wheel spats", ground effects, and various other gingerbread would likely be a good seller.
04-15-2014, 04:55 PM
#30
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Actually there was no shortage of carbon fiber parts for the Z06. GM had entered into a contract with Toray Composites America Inc. (Tacoma, WA) for enough T600-24K carbon fiber to build 7,000 sets of fenders for each of the first three years. That's all GM planned to build(20% of the total C6 production) each year. Then Vermont Composites tooled up to mold 7,000 sets of fenders each year.
2006----6272
2007----8159
2008----7731
Or, an average of 7,387 Z06's built per year for the first three years. The fact is that the supplier furnished more carbon fiber than GM had originally contracted for.
GM underestimated the market for the Z06 when they were letting out their contracts. They planned on building 7,000 Z06's each year and they had plenty of carbon fiber to meet that goal.
2006----6272
2007----8159
2008----7731
Or, an average of 7,387 Z06's built per year for the first three years. The fact is that the supplier furnished more carbon fiber than GM had originally contracted for.
GM underestimated the market for the Z06 when they were letting out their contracts. They planned on building 7,000 Z06's each year and they had plenty of carbon fiber to meet that goal.
Jimmy
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04-15-2014, 05:24 PM
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with both of these. I have a '10 GS. It's an automatic and I couldn't care less if it had the dry sump oil system. I bought it, pure and simply, because I liked its looks better than a base Coupe. I like taking the roof off as often as possible but don't care for a convertible. I don't need to have the biggest and baddest engine on the block either. So a C7 GS would make perfect sense to me. There's no way I'd spend an extra $20,000 for things I don't want just to get a certain look that I do want - I love the looks of the C7 Z06 and would love to have that looks without the things I don't want or need. I think GM will do one but who knows when...
04-15-2014, 05:29 PM
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The C7 is almost as wide as the wide body C6 if I recall correctly. The GS was introduced to prop up falling sales in the final years of the C6 model run... which lasted way too long by modern day standards. Until the demand for the C7 drops off significantly, no GS. If the model run is only 7 years before a C8 (which is a more normal model run by most standards) then there may never be one unless sales tank.
I would bet that GM didn't plan to introduce a C6 GS when they created the C6. With the C7, I'm giving it a 50/50 chance later in the model run... I'm hoping they build one but I'm personally skeptical.
I would bet that GM didn't plan to introduce a C6 GS when they created the C6. With the C7, I'm giving it a 50/50 chance later in the model run... I'm hoping they build one but I'm personally skeptical.
04-15-2014, 05:32 PM
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Has anyone heard/read anything, regarding when/if, Bowling Green will start building a Grand Sport?
My '13 GS is only a year old, so I'm in no rush to sell it.
I plan to wait until a C7 Grand Sport is released, and at that time, I'll trade in my C6.
Considering how popular the GS was in the C6 line up, I have to believe it will return in the C7, the question is when?
Anyone know?
My '13 GS is only a year old, so I'm in no rush to sell it.
I plan to wait until a C7 Grand Sport is released, and at that time, I'll trade in my C6.
Considering how popular the GS was in the C6 line up, I have to believe it will return in the C7, the question is when?
Anyone know?
04-15-2014, 05:33 PM
#34
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If you can purchase a auto/targa/convertible C7 GS for $20,000 less than a auto/targa/convertible C7 Z06, then the GS would be a sure fire winner. People would be crazy to buy a Z06 unless they absolutely wanted the supercharger(which some will).
Oh, and the ZR1 started cannibalizing the Z06 sales in 2009 as many people wanted the new "Top Dog".
Even with the decreased sales(16,956) in 2009, the Z06(3461) still represented 20% of total sales(just as it did in 2006, 2007 & 2008) and the Z06 & ZR1 sales represented 28.8% of total sales.
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04-15-2014, 05:50 PM
#35
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The C7 is almost as wide as the wide body C6 if I recall correctly. The GS was introduced to prop up falling sales in the final years of the C6 model run... which lasted way too long by modern day standards. Until the demand for the C7 drops off significantly, no GS. If the model run is only 7 years before a C8 (which is a more normal model run by most standards) then there may never be one unless sales tank.
I would bet that GM didn't plan to introduce a C6 GS when they created the C6. With the C7, I'm giving it a 50/50 chance later in the model run... I'm hoping they build one but I'm personally skeptical.
I would bet that GM didn't plan to introduce a C6 GS when they created the C6. With the C7, I'm giving it a 50/50 chance later in the model run... I'm hoping they build one but I'm personally skeptical.
I agree with you that GM most likely didn't plan on the GS when they first started planning the C6's design, etc, but they saw an opportunity to make additional dollars while boosting sagging sales(due not to the Corvette having a lifespan that was depleted by 2009, but one with it's lifespan being threatened by a crashing economy).
04-15-2014, 06:11 PM
#36
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Jimmy, I think a lot of people would go for a Z06 without a supercharger if they could save $20,000, just as they did with the C6 GS vs the Z06.
If you can purchase a auto/targa/convertible C7 GS for $20,000 less than a auto/targa/convertible C7 Z06, then the GS would be a sure fire winner. People would be crazy to buy a Z06 unless they absolutely wanted the supercharger(which some will).
Oh, and the ZR1 started cannibalizing the Z06 sales in 2009 as many people wanted the new "Top Dog".
Even with the decreased sales(16,956) in 2009, the Z06(3461) still represented 20% of total sales(just as it did in 2006, 2007 & 2008) and the Z06 & ZR1 sales represented 28.8% of total sales.
If you can purchase a auto/targa/convertible C7 GS for $20,000 less than a auto/targa/convertible C7 Z06, then the GS would be a sure fire winner. People would be crazy to buy a Z06 unless they absolutely wanted the supercharger(which some will).
Oh, and the ZR1 started cannibalizing the Z06 sales in 2009 as many people wanted the new "Top Dog".
Even with the decreased sales(16,956) in 2009, the Z06(3461) still represented 20% of total sales(just as it did in 2006, 2007 & 2008) and the Z06 & ZR1 sales represented 28.8% of total sales.
What were the Z06 numbers in 2010/11/12/13? My understanding was they really suffered in the last years of the C6.
Jimmy
PS. Obviously, the ZR1 taking sales from the Z06 was, I'm sure, fine with GM....the GS doing the same, probably not as palletable.
04-15-2014, 06:52 PM
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C7 gs
I too loved the look of the wide body of the GS. I had a 2005 C6 and loved it but went with the GS for my new one in 2010. I loved the looks but I put a lot of highway miles on my Corvettes and was disappointed in my inability, along with others, to get it to be a pleasure to drive on non perfect roads. It followed every irregularity in the road. I had it realigned to less aggressive racing specs, more in line with the non GS C6's, and that helped immensely but it was still a job to drive at speed on non perfect roadways.
My new C7 drives like a dream. I know a lot of it is the narrower rims and tires and track and maybe some is to do with the new electric power steering but whatever it is, it is great.
I will not be switching to a GS if and when they come out.
My new C7 drives like a dream. I know a lot of it is the narrower rims and tires and track and maybe some is to do with the new electric power steering but whatever it is, it is great.
I will not be switching to a GS if and when they come out.
04-15-2014, 07:06 PM
#38
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He said..."at least Sept., maybe Oct.,...right now all we have is customer ordered cars."
Here it is only April, and they now have 3 C7s in stock, and they've been sitting there for several weeks now. And, they are willing to deal at $1,000 off MSRP, (like that's a big deal).
My post #17 will give you the 2012 stats.
04-15-2014, 07:53 PM
#39
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Will be interesting to see if GM does a C7 GS.. I'd say there is about a 50/50 chance they do, and a lot of that is going to depend on how well C7 sales continue to go, and also how many C7 Z06's they produce and at what price point (I am thinking the Z is going to be close to a 100k car)
Also remember the C6 had to weather the storm of one of the worst recessions in history, GM was going under and the Guberment stepped in so I think they were doing anything and everything to get sales..
The other part of me thinks that so much hype and anticipation, engineering went into the C7 they may just let it run its course and unless sales really start to tank, they won't release a GS.
anything is possible
Also remember the C6 had to weather the storm of one of the worst recessions in history, GM was going under and the Guberment stepped in so I think they were doing anything and everything to get sales..
The other part of me thinks that so much hype and anticipation, engineering went into the C7 they may just let it run its course and unless sales really start to tank, they won't release a GS.
anything is possible
04-15-2014, 08:01 PM
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Le Mans Master
The C7 is almost as wide as the wide body C6 if I recall correctly. The GS was introduced to prop up falling sales in the final years of the C6 model run... which lasted way too long by modern day standards. Until the demand for the C7 drops off significantly, no GS. If the model run is only 7 years before a C8 (which is a more normal model run by most standards) then there may never be one unless sales tank.
I would bet that GM didn't plan to introduce a C6 GS when they created the C6. With the C7, I'm giving it a 50/50 chance later in the model run... I'm hoping they build one but I'm personally skeptical.
I would bet that GM didn't plan to introduce a C6 GS when they created the C6. With the C7, I'm giving it a 50/50 chance later in the model run... I'm hoping they build one but I'm personally skeptical.