Sounds as though the Viper is gasping....

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/not-aga...123010993.html

 

A;though this subject has been beat to death it is still of interest. The Viper is a neat car, fast and a bit squirrely, but still neat. The problem, to me is that at its current price it is close to Porsche and the quality is not there, nor the options. I like the car but for $125,000 I would buy a Porsche, and you can buy both of the cars used for nice discounts, still buy the Porsche as I like comfort and PDK. Also knowing that I don't have to deal with a Dodge dealer...in my experience they make Chevy look good.
But it is a Chrysler product,they have been known for years as one of the great engine builders, also been known as one of the top producers of crap in the automotive world. Would not buy one of their products due to past problems but I have heard that they are getting better. And Fiat is not going to to carrying Viper for long as they are about the bottom line, owning a car company that has been in the tank for 30 years is not going to be good for Fiat unless the profits begin to improve. Thus the SRT brand is going Bye Bye, absorbed by Dodge.
But the Viper is a neat car, kind of like the Maxwell and the DoDo, soon to be extent. To many other choices, some for less money, some for a little money and as for the rest of the world it is just the demise of 1 more U.S. muscle car, doubt that it will be missed.

 

Check this out

http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/cor...ison-test.html

 

You mean not unlike GM and the Corvette was a few years ago? If the GS did not come out the Vette may be dead right now, not to mention the bail out.

 

Viper just ain't worth the money - simple as that!

 

Well, the Corvette (and GM) were gasping during a time when the economy as a whole was gasping. Sales of "luxury" items are doing much better now--Stingray included--which makes things look even more bleak for the future of the Viper. You'd think that Dodge would be putting ridiculous amounts of HP in the Viper rather than in the Challenger, which is also probably a bad sign for the future of the Viper. It's too bad--I'd much rather have a Viper than a Challenger regardless of HP.

 

I wouldn't write off the Viper just yet, they simply need to get the bean counters to figure out a better business model. Frankly it wouldn't surprise me if we see a vert and an ACR sometime in the near future. You'd like to think they have a plan in place after they so royally screwed up the intro of the Gen V and its price point. Steve said he bought his SRT for 88k, that is a lot of car for that money and where it should have been priced with the GTS in the 120 range. The T/A has been flying off the shelf from what I've read and it lists for 120k. It kind of proves that most Viper owners are track rats, they don't care about Ferrari leather, although I have to admit the GTS I sat in was a spectacular world class interior. I think they just catered tot he wrong crowd,

 

The only reason there isn't one in my garage is that I'm not rich. To me it is pretty much the perfect car.

 

There is no reason for the Viper (like the Nissan GTR) to be priced anywhere near $100K. The company got greedy milking the car for everything they could and now they've pushed the price point well beyond reality. You have $75K worth of car selling for $115K+. The math just doesn't add up.

 

Was to me at $88k (in fact great value), not so much at the $108 sticker, but still interested. Once you get into the $120+...I am looking at alternatives. Price-wise, SRT took the viper into unknown territory. They abandonned their core values and previous buyer base, to seduce a higher tier audience. Dropping the Dodge label and making mostly the more expensive GTSs did not help.

Flattering but it is definitely not perfect......maybe quite close though..lol. Getting even closer to perfection would be a C7z06 parked next to the viper in my garage.

 

I thought you might know the place - it's on Commercial!

 

Are you saying that a Z51 C7 is equal to an SRT at 75k?
P.S. how did GM get away with pricing the ZR1 at 125k and the outgoing ZO6 at 100k? In your opinion were they priced right?

 

The C7 doesn't START at $75K, it only gets there because of options. I'm assuming base, no option cars. The C7 Corvette is a $53K car.

The Z06 only got to $100K with heavy options.

Again, the ZR1 only got to $125K with options.

The ZR1 was overpriced (not by much, but it was overpriced), but it combined supercar power and handling with everyday usability, which is something the Viper can't quite match.

 

So you are saying a stripped C7 for 53k is worth not spending the extra 22k for an SRT? Well it's your dime but it's no comparison IMO.

This debate can rage on forever but I will tell you this, I could have driven my ACR everyday and had no issues, your comment about the Viper not being able to match the power, handling and usability is way off my friend.

 

When did I say that? I said the Viper should be a $75K car, not a $125K car. At $75K+ Vipers would be selling a lot better than they are now.

Let me put it this way: At $75K, I would purchase a Viper over any Corvette.

 

Corvette has been around for over 60 years now. The GS was not the savior you claim it to be.

The GS main purpose was to give automatic drivers & convertible lovers access to the widebody kit from the C6Z06. As you can tell by the C7Z06 announcement, GM has learned that they left money on table. If you want an automatic and/or convertible Z06.. then this time around they will sell you one.

 

My bad, I misunderstood your comparison.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

The GS was introduced because GM wasn't in a position to release the new gen, the GS bridged the gap to help sales of the expiring C6's.

As for the vert ZO6 and it being an automatic that is just a sign of the times. I personally would never buy an auto Z nor would I buy a Z at all unless I am going to track it which takes out the vert application. This is my opinion, you are entitled to yours.

 

ALL supercars are race cars outfitted to be driven on public roads, with the convenience items those who can afford it want. Isn't it really all about "bragging rights" when you get into this class of car?

The C7 offers all you need and all you can use on public roads, today.

A C7 Z06 will use the same formula as Ferrari, Lambo, etc., sell "wretched excess" to all who wants and can afford it.

 

Ok we have our weekly Viper bashing thread.

Some of you are slacking. I haven't seen a Porsche bashing thread this week.

 

The Viper is a very cool car. I looked at several a couple years old a while ago. I found them very uncomfortable and not a car I would want to spend a long time in on trips. Comfort-wise, the C7 is much better for all around driving whether it be a daily commuter or 10 hour trips.

That being said, I do hope they stay around. They are fun to look at.