Destination charge
Team Owner
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But, nowhere that I read in any of that, did the federal mandate claim the fee had to be paid to a union-run car-hauler business. The requirement I am remembering simply stated the destination fee had to be a seperate line item on the invoice (couldn't be lumped into something else)
I'm all for still paying the fee; but to the museum staff - when it's an NCM delivery.
-L- you're cool to converse with, even if we're not always sitting in the same pew at church.
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I guess you missed a paragraph above; I was deep in the cult at one time; but finally escaped. Because of this, I'm surprised you responded with that; those types of remarks don't work anymore.
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With a little search effort, you can find at least 10 threads from the last year, discussing the destination charge, the R8C Museum Delivery charge, and the relative merits and fairness of the process.
The bottom line is you will always pay the $995 destination charge, whether you are on the opposite end of the country, like Seattle, or across town, like the Museum or the two Bowling Green Chevy dealers. If you want the Museum delivery experience, you will pay $990 extra for that, and a good chunk of that goes to the NCM.
If you don't think the destination charge is fair, then you probably won't like buying any new car, as every one has a destination fee of some type.
If you don't think the Museum Delivery charge is fair or is too expensive, don't order it. There are plenty of people eager to do a Museum delivery, and wiil keep the Museum staff busy without you.
The bottom line is you will always pay the $995 destination charge, whether you are on the opposite end of the country, like Seattle, or across town, like the Museum or the two Bowling Green Chevy dealers. If you want the Museum delivery experience, you will pay $990 extra for that, and a good chunk of that goes to the NCM.
If you don't think the destination charge is fair, then you probably won't like buying any new car, as every one has a destination fee of some type.
If you don't think the Museum Delivery charge is fair or is too expensive, don't order it. There are plenty of people eager to do a Museum delivery, and wiil keep the Museum staff busy without you.
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If you don't think the Museum Delivery charge is fair or is too expensive, don't order it.
Or, the NCM could contract with a private local car hauler; it would be well under $120 to have a car transported, 2 miles, in an enclosed car trailer, by a person that is insured & bonded. But again, they would be forbid from doing that.
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Let's step back to how this standard/uniform transportation fee, regardless of the mileage/distance the vehicle was/is moved from assembly plant to dealer, was established. It was established in the mid 1970's when US Congress was successfully lobbied by the National Auto Dealers Association wanting this legislation.
Why did they successfully push for the national law? To avoid those dealerships located very close to an assembly plant from paying lesser freight charges than those dealers located further from the assembly plant, thus avoiding giving those "local dealers" an unfair competitive advantage.
This uniform/standard national law was successfully pushed for by the national dealers association, as previously many customers were driving to "dealers local to assembly plants" to pay lower total new vehicle costs, while those dealers located further from those plants had to pay higher transport fees, and consequently had to charge higher vehicles sales prices, and therefore lost customers.
The current uniform/standard vehicle shipping fees, regardless of distance from assembly plants, has nothing to do with unions.
Why did they successfully push for the national law? To avoid those dealerships located very close to an assembly plant from paying lesser freight charges than those dealers located further from the assembly plant, thus avoiding giving those "local dealers" an unfair competitive advantage.
This uniform/standard national law was successfully pushed for by the national dealers association, as previously many customers were driving to "dealers local to assembly plants" to pay lower total new vehicle costs, while those dealers located further from those plants had to pay higher transport fees, and consequently had to charge higher vehicles sales prices, and therefore lost customers.
The current uniform/standard vehicle shipping fees, regardless of distance from assembly plants, has nothing to do with unions.
Last edited by elegant; Jul 26, 2014 at 10:13 PM.
Team Owner
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Let's step back to how this standard/uniform transportation fee, regardless of the mileage/distance the vehicle was/is moved from assembly plant to dealer, was established. It was established in the mid 1970's when US Congress was successfully lobbied by the National Auto Dealers Association wanting this legislation.
Why did they successfully push for the national law? To avoid those dealerships located very close to an assembly plant from paying lesser freight charges than those dealers located further from the assembly plant, thus avoiding giving those "local dealers" an unfair competitive advantage.
This uniform/standard national law was successfully pushed for by the national dealers association, as previously many customers were driving to "dealers local to assembly plants" to pay lower total new vehicle costs, while those dealers located further from those plants had to pay higher transport fees, and consequently had to charge higher vehicles sales prices, and therefore losing customers.
Why did they successfully push for the national law? To avoid those dealerships located very close to an assembly plant from paying lesser freight charges than those dealers located further from the assembly plant, thus avoiding giving those "local dealers" an unfair competitive advantage.
This uniform/standard national law was successfully pushed for by the national dealers association, as previously many customers were driving to "dealers local to assembly plants" to pay lower total new vehicle costs, while those dealers located further from those plants had to pay higher transport fees, and consequently had to charge higher vehicles sales prices, and therefore losing customers.
What's being discussed here is the nonsense about not allowing the NCM to transport the cars themselves, thus no expenses incurred by the MFGR for delivery of the product. With no destination fee being charged, the mandate would not require the NCM to be charged the standardized $1000 destination fee (the car is not going to a dealer.)
The current uniform/standard vehicle shipping fees, regardless of distance from assembly plants, has nothing to do with unions.
But someone is preventing that from happening; and it's not GM, the NCM, nor the paid customers of the product.
But we all know what would happen if NCM staff - or a licensed bonded privately owned hauler - tried to leave the factory (with GM's blessing) with a customers new car...
Last edited by Mike Mercury; Jul 26, 2014 at 10:38 PM.
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Let's step back to how this standard/uniform transportation fee, regardless of the mileage/distance the vehicle was/is moved from assembly plant to dealer, was established. It was established in the mid 1970's when US Congress was successfully lobbied by the National Auto Dealers Association wanting this legislation.
Why did they successfully push for the national law? To avoid those dealerships located very close to an assembly plant from paying lesser freight charges than those dealers located further from the assembly plant, thus avoiding giving those "local dealers" an unfair competitive advantage.
This uniform/standard national law was successfully pushed for by the national dealers association, as previously many customers were driving to "dealers local to assembly plants" to pay lower total new vehicle costs, while those dealers located further from those plants had to pay higher transport fees, and consequently had to charge higher vehicles sales prices, and therefore lost customers.
The current uniform/standard vehicle shipping fees, regardless of distance from assembly plants, has nothing to do with unions.
Why did they successfully push for the national law? To avoid those dealerships located very close to an assembly plant from paying lesser freight charges than those dealers located further from the assembly plant, thus avoiding giving those "local dealers" an unfair competitive advantage.
This uniform/standard national law was successfully pushed for by the national dealers association, as previously many customers were driving to "dealers local to assembly plants" to pay lower total new vehicle costs, while those dealers located further from those plants had to pay higher transport fees, and consequently had to charge higher vehicles sales prices, and therefore lost customers.
The current uniform/standard vehicle shipping fees, regardless of distance from assembly plants, has nothing to do with unions.
Now people may drive a few hours to save 1K, but that's the market. And I can't imagine that difference of 120 miles or so would put a dealership at a major disadvantage. The cost differences between say shipping to Cincinnati vs Indianapolis as a destination charge, if we were to calculate it out, would not drive people to Indianapolis for the car. How much could they possibly save, 100-150? How much are you going to spend in gas to get there and a waste of a whole day. Totally not worth it.
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"And no one is going to fly from California to Detroit . . . " interesting conjecture. The first time I saw a 1958 Thunderbird, my aunt and uncle had flown in from California than after taking delivery drove up to Flint to visit. Now did they make the trip to save the difference or to visit? I do not know.
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The Window sticker will list base price, options price and then destination charges on separate lines.
Safety Car
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I don't understand why they just don't add it to the base price of the car.They still get the $995 and everything is smooth.
Back in 68 A friend of mine picked up the car at whatever factory built vettes back then.
Supposely didn't pay any fees back then.But not 100% sure
Back in 68 A friend of mine picked up the car at whatever factory built vettes back then.
Supposely didn't pay any fees back then.But not 100% sure