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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 10:58 PM
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So before I took delivery I've been on here for a few months and read different threads about npp exhaust. I have an A6 with npp. I turned off sound management so that the valves would stay open. I know if you use the auto in D that it will go into 4 cylinder mode, but I've been using it Manual mode for the break in. I was looking at the exhaust and it looks like only the two outer exhaust tips have condensation stains andinner ones don't. I looked straight back into the pipe and I can see the two inner butterflies are closed. Shouldn't they be open ? if I'm using it in manual + sport mode shouldn't it be open?

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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 07:48 AM
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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the NPP opens up on only on the outside pipes, not the inner.
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 08:04 AM
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If you have Engine Sound Management, the NPP should be open 95% of the time.

100% of the time at idle and when cruising at lower RPMs and when V4 is kicked on they will be closed. All other times they are open.

You should notice a big sound change when they are open.

The exhaust tips that don't have valves do stay cleaner.

Go into your menu and turn engine sound management to auto then to off, see if you can hear a difference.
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Not much lighting in the picture but you can see the two inner ones closed. And the two outer are currently open. Are the outer ones we have control over?
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by djlink21
Not much lighting in the picture but you can see the two inner ones closed. And the two outer are currently open. Are the outer ones we have control over?
Wow. Lots of confusion here. The middle two pipes are not closed, they are muffled and they are muffled 100% of the time. There are no butterfly valves inside the middle two pipes. The outer two pipes are connected to straight pipes (unmuffled) and have butterfly valves inside the pipes at the exhaust tips. These butterfly valves when closed force the exhaust gases to exit through the inner muffled pipes to create a quiet muffled sound. When the butterfly valves located inside the outer pipes open, the exhaust gases exit through the outer pipes, taking the path of least resistance, and you hear the louder unmuffled sound. Therefore, if you drive around with the valves open most of the time, then soot will collect mostly on the outer two exhaust tips.
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Originally Posted by BIG Dave
Wow. Lots of confusion here. The middle two pipes are not closed, they are muffled and they are muffled 100% of the time. There are no butterfly valves inside the middle two pipes. The outer two pipes are connected to straight pipes (unmuffled) and have butterfly valves inside the pipes at the exhaust tips. These butterfly valves when closed force the exhaust gases to exit through the inner muffled pipes to create a quiet muffled sound. When the butterfly valves located inside the outer pipes open, the exhaust gases exit through the outer pipes, taking the path of least resistance, and you hear the louder unmuffled sound. Therefore, if you drive around with the valves open most of the time, then soot will collect mostly on the outer two exhaust tips.
Thank you. Saved me some typing
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG Dave
Wow. Lots of confusion here. The middle two pipes are not closed, they are muffled and they are muffled 100% of the time. There are no butterfly valves inside the middle two pipes. The outer two pipes are connected to straight pipes (unmuffled) and have butterfly valves inside the pipes at the exhaust tips. These butterfly valves when closed force the exhaust gases to exit through the inner muffled pipes to create a quiet muffled sound. When the butterfly valves located inside the outer pipes open, the exhaust gases exit through the outer pipes, taking the path of least resistance, and you hear the louder unmuffled sound. Therefore, if you drive around with the valves open most of the time, then soot will collect mostly on the outer two exhaust tips.
Thanks. That clears it up a lot !
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This has me wondering.... Is there anything inside the mufflers which could be taken out to say.....be louder....
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Originally Posted by ssidekickbp
This has me wondering.... Is there anything inside the mufflers which could be taken out to say.....be louder....
It know that was a mod C6 guys were doing along with sealing off some perforations in one of the inner pipes. Seems the new ZR1 had a slightly different muffler and sounded better than the standard NPP. Once someone cut open both mufflers the difference was easy to see.

But I can tell you the C7 NPP sounds a lot better than the C6 version. My last Vette was an 07 Z06 and at WOT it sounded raspy and when I heard Z06's at the track compared to say a Borla or B&B I put the fuse back in.

But the C7 NPP even with the A6 is perfect. GM did some extra tuning and got it right.
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Just curious, but why would you force manual mode for break in? Chevy did a great job IMHO with their engine management, especially for the break in period, and I'm curious why you feel that you can do better than the computer?
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Originally Posted by ssidekickbp
This has me wondering.... Is there anything inside the mufflers which could be taken out to say.....be louder....
I'd say almost everything inside the muffler could be removed. Just use a die grinder with a very thin blade to cut open the wrap, use a plasma cutter to carve out the baffles and tubes, and then weld it back up. It would be a challenging project....welding thin stainless can be tricky.
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Confusion? Here on the Corvette Forum??....

Pipes are perforated. When the outer valves are closed, exhaust defaults to the inners...




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