If a vehicle owner is not breaking the law in any way, why would any one object to this new technology to help solve crimes and help your fellow Americans. This new technology will not go away, so any person that drives a motorized vehicle needs to get used to this technology and accept it.

Case in point. The use of videos cameras. So many people complained about the use of video cameras in many public places and businesses. In many cases these videos cameras whether they are in a personal residence, business, or public area have resulted in many criminals being caught when committing crimes. Same with civilians taking videos of criminal activities from cell phones. Many cases have been solved by normal people taking videos.

Here in southern New Mexico all access points north of the US/Mexico border and usually within 50 miles have US Customs and Border Patrol check points. Well before entering the checkpoints, and being stopped by a Border Patrol Agent, that agent is made aware via cameras and LPR of each vehicle whether car, truck, motorcycle, RV of the plate number. Computer monitors are set up at the stopping point to assist the Border Patrol Agent on the description of the vehicle and if any outstanding warrants might be open. Over the last 40 years I have been accustomed to going through these checkpoints weekly and in the last 5 to 7 years have no problems driving thru these checkpoints and having my license plate number read. I don't violate laws so I don't care if the any government agency knows who I am. Video cameras and recordings have become a way of life and will not go away.

All need to get used to it. Live on. Enjoy your ride.

 

I agree with some of that. But, why the annual renewals and the need to display new stickers on the plates (at least we do in Minnesota)?

SEE here for samples: https://www.google.com/search?q=pict...FQoLkgodfIMLHw

We have no inspections here. There is no safety inspection, no emissions test, nothing. I just pay my fee every year and get a new set of stickers; one for month and one for year of expiration. All this renewal accomplishes is to collect a fee and assess fines if I don't pay. The license plate readers will work just as well if I wasn't paying that annual fee. Its also the mechanism whereby the state collects the vehicle tax (which will probably be around $700 on my C7 when I renew next April).

Of course with a license plate reader, a police officer should not need any kind of sticker on the plate because the system should be able to query the state's database to verify the taxes have been paid. This plays into the license plate frame issue because most frames partly block the view of the stickers making them technically illegal - which really should not matter with the readers. Mine are not really legal if an officer wanted to make an issue out of it (has not happened so far on either my Corvette or my truck). Still, when I renew, I just move the new stickers up higher on the plate so that they are above my frame.

 

The yearly renewal of registration is a revenue generating income for the states. The big question is what does the Dept of Motor Vehicles use the funds for. I am sure there are many use of these funds collected. Here in New Mexico the cost for license plate renewal for my C7 and registration is $57.00. Not bad. I have 7 vehicles including an ATV which gets renewed each year also for $17.00. The cost to renew the plate and sticker for my 14" flat bed trailer is aboout $9.00 which I am not concerned about. I never mind paying these fees as I view it as a cost of living expense.

As for the renewable sticker, I do the same and apply it above the license plate frame.

 

If you honestly think that the government or any corporation is out there to protect you then you are very naive. I'm not some privacy wacko and I'm not some super right wing guy and even I don't like license plate readers because they can be abused. Orginizations are out to make money or hold power. That's very simple and self sustaining. We deal with things because of a social contract, and sometimes we don't because we feel that it oversteps such bounds.

I don't have a Facebook for similar reasons. My privacy is worth more to me than free stuff. I don't worry about the cameras because I don't brake the law, but I do worry that someone will hack that info or misuse it in some way. Such as to track my movements so they can sell me **** or displays ads or whatever (I worry more about companies than the government).

Relating to cops, a cop friend of mine once told me there are two types of cops. Good guys who want to help people, and criminal types who figured they could get away with more by being cops. I've seen cops do some shady stuff. So pardon me for not automatically trusting all of them. They are people too you know, which means they are not perfect.

 

If you got your Corvette new, it should have come with the aeroplate included in the price. If your dealer didn't give it to you, go back and ask them for it. You paid for it (as part of the price of the car), you should get it.

 

If you're not breaking the law, why object the police peering in your windows and tapping your phone? Or knocking on your door unannounced , without a warrant, and coming in just to make sure you're not violating any laws? Applying the NSA's technology to everyday policing would certainly cut down on criminal activity, and "help our fellow Americans."

Fortunately, the people who wrote the Constitution didn't trust the government as much as you seem to.

 

I got pulled over a few weeks ago in NC for having half of North Carolina blocked out by a college plate. Officer was very nice, informed me that it didn't comply with code. I assured them, that upon my returning home the plate would be taken off.

They let me go without a ticket or warning. It generally was just an information only stop. Officer was quite nice as well.

Ironically, I had a few to many drinks while out at dinner with a friend. So I called a family member to pick me up. So my sister was driving me home at the time. In hind sight it was pretty comical.

 

I don't ever worry about police looking or peeping into any of my windows. I don't worry about police tapping my phone. I don't worry about police knocking on my door unannounced, searching the house without a warrant. These things you mention just don't happen, and the comments you make are broad exaggerations.

Perhaps you're being synical in your comments. We live in the greatest country on planet earth with laws for the people by the people to protect all of us. Be thankful your were born as an American.

If anyone is really anti-government, then anyone who is, might consider moving to another country to see how it is.

There is due process in our system and our system is one of the best.

It is hard for me to believe why so many people of America have become anti-law enforcement lately. These people who serve have very tough jobs, deal with the worst of the worst people and situations and are in a position to serve and protect. For those who complain about law enforcement people doing their jobs, I wonder what your opinions might be when it time to call upon them for any reason.

The recent hatred towards cops, policemen or policewoman as we have witnessed over the last 1 to 2 years is totally uncalled for.

If a cop stops you in your C7, or any other vehicle it is for a reason. These men and woman have much better things to do. Don't break the law and you won't have any worries.

Let the discussion continue.

 

You've clearly never dealt with the legal system.

Ignorance is bliss they say.

 

I did get it, I just meant that if I trim it to put the plate on it, I'd probably try to get another one that wasn't trimmed to put back on if I decided to go without a front plate again -thanks!

 

I wish we could add some music to some of these posts. Maybe some Glory, Glory......Halleluiah!

 

In my 31 years of my profession, I have dealt with the legal system many times.

Follow the laws and rules and there are no problems.

As for the legal system you may be speaking of, I did get a citation for an improper left turn (2014). I simply paid the fine and moved on. It was easy. Do you really think the cop cited me for no reason?

Get real!

 

Obviously you've never dealt with anyone crooked. You can be 100% in the right and still get in trouble. I've seen it happen.

Your faith in a system which is run by people (who are imperfect and therefore corrupt or biased) is misplaced. The laws don't protect you, they only protect those with enough money and influence to fight them.

If a person is LUCKY they will never have to deal with a court, but if they aren't and they don't have tons of money they will be on the bad end of a deal. This is a fact.

It's not black and white, your continued statements that it is shows you don't really have any clue what you are talking about. I'm done arguing about it because it's like having a conversation with a petulant child, no matter how many times you explain something they always ask "why?"

 

Please continue this discussion . I am thoroughly enjoying this conversation.

It’s your duty as a citizen, fellow American and God given right!

 

Worth noting that computer license plate readers do make mistakes.
I got a bill in the mail for a toll road that is 200 miles from my town because the scanner read the plate as a "M" instead of an "N".

Can you image being pulled over at gun point just because some computer mis-read the plate?

Not Good.

Luckily, the toll road company keeps files of the photos taken when the car goes through a toll booth and they could zoom in enough to read the correct plate number.

 

Exaggeration or not, if you don't object to the police pulling you over at random in your car, why would you object to them doing the equivalent in your home? Do you not have the same rights as a citizen no matter where you are?



There are ample examples of police and governments in the U.S. abusing their power, and it's the limitations imposed by the Constitution that hold them in check. Fortunately, the Constitution protects even those who don't understand the need for it.

 

Being pulled over at gun point?....another exaggeration and insulting to law enforcement.....these guys that serve and protect are not Dirty Harry!

Also I bet writing a letter to the company who administors the toll booth collections would resolve your issue. I bet you did not pay the bill. $*** happens.....machines aren't perfect and neither are people.


In my my over 40 tears of driving I have never been pulled over at random by any cop. I wonder how many CF members can attest they have been pulled over by a cop at random, without any cause. Very rare and doubtful. If so lets hear the story, and what was the reason and the results.

Constitution remarks, TRUE. That's why we have rights and laws. There is abuse in all walks of life and situations. Ever feel abuse by your employer? Ever feel abused by any other person. It happens.

Someday people will realize how good law enforcement is to protect us and our rights. There will be a day when you call for help and there will be a day when your negative thoughts become positive for those who serve and protect. Not all are bad.

Here's a good example of a true cop on the highway assisting others......

FROZEN CARBURETOR

People often complain about the police, but you rarely hear about the positive things they do, such as this incident involving a biker and a frozen carburetor.

Last January on a bitterly cold winter's day, a North Dakota State Trooper on patrol came upon a motorcyclist who was stalled by the roadside.

The biker was swathed in heavy protective clothing and wearing a full-face helmet to protect the face from the cold weather.

“What’s the matter?” asked the Trooper .

"Carburetor's frozen," was the terse reply.

"Pee on it. That'll thaw it out."

"I can't," said the biker.

"OK, watch me closely and I'll show you." The Trooper unzipped and promptly warmed the carburetor as promised.

Moments later the bike started and the rider drove off, waving.

A few days later, the local State Troopers’ office received a note of thanks from the father of the motorcyclist.

It began: "On behalf of my daughter Jill..."

 

I said I was done but I'll bite.

I was pulled over at 4 am once, doing absolutely nothing wrong, on my way home from a friends. Cop looked at me, asked me if I was drunk (I had zero alcohol that night), and when I told him I had consumed no alcohol, he gave me a disgusted look and let me go.

There was no reason to pull me over other than I was driving at 4 am, not a crime in any way. I was driving a Saab 9-3 Aero at the time, so the car was fully functional and less than 2 years old.

I've had good experiences with police as well, but the issue isn't the good ones it's the bad ones. And yes ONE bad one ruins it for all the good ones. Until I have a discussion with a specific officer I assume I need to be on guard, because you never know when you are dealing with a bad cop.

Cops protect themselves from you until they know you aren't a threat, shouldn't you do the same? Oh that's right we should always trust them, my mistake.

 

LS3 MN6:

I knew you would be back........hard to resist the discussion?

with your statement above in bold, and yes there are some bad guys in blue. Mostly, the cops are of the good. They are dedicated. We have had a few bad boys down here in Las Cruces, NM. Old saying is, "you always get caught in the end". They did. They are paying the price. I wouldn't want to be a cop sent to prison with the bad guys.

I know I wouldn't want their job either. Hats off to the good guys who protect us.

 

Depends on the day of the month as to what they might consider bigger issues! If it's near the end of the month and below quota, collecting $125 for an easy ticket may be the priority! I changed the simulated carbon fiber plate frame I bought to see how it looked before paying big bucks for a real one, to the perimeter frame I use now! It also covered part of the state name, easily read but "against the law in SC!"