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Old Sep 8, 2015 | 09:02 PM
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I was kinda bored the other day. So I looked up the KBB trade-in value of my 2015 2LT Corvette. Then I looked at the GM build price of the exact same 2LT 2016 Corvette with a military discount. The difference in price was only a little over $1,000!
I thought this might be worth emailing my dealer. He did not answer my email, but a few days later I got a "form" email saying they would give me "up to" $3,500 over book value for my car as a trade. I thought this was pretty good; they would pay me $2,500 to take a 2016 on trade for my 2015! So, I emailed them again.
I got no answer from my emails, so I called them to ask why they did not answer me. They told me to bring my car in and we could discuss the price.
I did not really expect to paid $2,500 to take a 2016 on trade. However, I was not prepared for their offer: My 2015 plus $12,000 would get me the exact same 2016 Corvette. They said they did not use KBB, they had their own calculation.
Honestly, if they were even close to the $1,000 difference, I would have jumped at it. A few thousand, I might have considered it, but $12,000!
My 2015 is running great and I have no problems with it, so it will be with me for quite a while. I guess the moral of the story is to drive your car when you are bored; don't play on the internet.
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Old Sep 8, 2015 | 09:25 PM
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<p>From AutoBlog:</p>
<p>NADA Guide vs. Black Book vs. Kelley Blue Book</p><p>Throwing the Book at You: Which &quot;Blue Book&quot; Gets You the Best Deal?</p><p>&nbsp;&quot;Blue Book pricing!&quot;</p><p>&quot;We're selling below Blue Book!&quot;</p><p>&quot;Get true Blue Book value for your trade-in!&quot;</p><p>Whether you're buying or selling a car, or even just conscious these days, you can't get away from Blue Book mania. At one time &quot;Blue Book&quot; value was a used car insider's term like cream puff or cherry, but today the phrase is, er, all over the lot.</p><p>Born of the original restricted-circulation, dealer-only NADA guide of used car wholesale and retail values, the Blue Book has become one of the major merchandising devices of modern vehicle selling. From seedy used car lots, to new car dealers, to million dollar national promotions for major automobile manufacturers, they all claim to sell cars at or below &quot;Blue Book.&quot;</p><p>What, actually, is a Blue Book? Who started this whole arbitrary pricing bible? How accurate are they and how do they get their numbers? Most importantly, do they provide truly valuable information to help you get the best deal, whether you're buying or selling new or used? Read on.</p><p>Although the real Blue Book goes by the brand name Kelley Blue Book, like Kleenex for tissues, the term has become generic for all vehicle pricing guides. There are three principal reference sources heading a wide array of vehicle pricing information available today through printed matter, the Internet, and high zoot communicators such as BlackBerries and Treos.</p><p><strong>Kelley Blue Book</strong></p><p>Eighty-one years old, this guide boasts that one out of three people who buy a new or used car in the United States use this service. Kelley Blue Book (often misspelled as Kelly Blue Book) collects its information by attending auctions throughout the country where it bases used car evaluations: Excellent, Good, Fair and Poor. From those, Kelley Blue Book then sets wholesale values based on what are called &quot;front line&quot; (as in traffic stopper) vehicles, which also includes costs for reconditioning, transportation and auction fees.</p><p>Why should Kelley Blue Book be the book you depend on for the best deal? They claim it is most valuable to you, because you can get a quote from a Kelley Blue Book in Steubenville, Ohio and it will be the same at thousands of dealerships across the country. This means that buying or selling, you're getting a fair deal.</p><p><strong>Nada Guide: Blue-and-Orange/Yellow Book</strong></p><p>Spokespeople for the 74-year-old NADA guide say their book is superior to the others because the NADA book is the official data guide issued strictly for dealer members of the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA) trade group, and it has access to totally exclusive data, such as dealer retail sales, and it analyzes additional data from more than 500,000 various points of sale and other market data.</p><p>They say the circulation of the NADA guide out-guns the competition by almost five to one. The wholesale and retail pricing listed in the NADA guide seems to be higher in some areas than Kelley Blue Book due to its preset standard that all trade-ins be in very clean condition. Since &quot;front line&quot; might not accurately describe your vehicle, (only 5 percent of trade-ins or wholesale vehicles are) be prepared to adjust your expectations downward from what the NADA guide says.</p><p><strong>Black Book</strong></p><p>The 52-year-old, widely-used Black Book guide is circulation controlled, restricted to dealers and financing sources. Unlike kbb.com and NADA.com, the Black Book Web site does not provide data, only links you to dealers. The Black Book is the only value guide issued weekly instead of monthly, reflecting the latest prices direct from actual or online automobile dealers.</p><p>Whereas other value books or value Web sites may break down value into WHOLESALE and RETAIL numbers or TRADE-IN, PRIVATE PARTY and RETAIL, Black Book truly specializes in WHOLESALE VALUE, determining the value of used cars within categories of EXTRA CLEAN, CLEAN, AVERAGE or ROUGH. Although the others also issue editions for special interest/classic/rare cars, the Black Book's Cars of Particular Interest (CPI) value guide contains over 14,000 vehicles, dating from 1946 to 2007.</p><p><strong>What Do the Pros Use?</strong></p><p>According to Lynn Faeth, referring to the used car operation of his nationally-noted The Scout Connection dealership in Fort Madison, Iowa, &quot;I use the Kelley Blue Book and the Black Book for used car valuation. But the Black Book CPI is my mainstay in determining the true value of any rare or unusual vehicle which I buy or sell.&quot;</p><p>Seconding Faeth's comment, is John Gorton who runs Gerton Auto Sales, a large, successful used car enterprise in Mt. Vernon, Indiana, &quot;I use the Black Book -- the electronic version -- exclusively in my operation, because its used car pricing seems to be more accurate and up to date, coming out weekly instead of monthly.&quot;</p><p>&quot;The system I use,&quot; adds longtime Southern California car salesman Roger Himmel, &quot;combines checking value of a trade-in or used car purchase in Kelley Blue Book and the NADA guide, then telephoning wholesalers or other dealers to see what the value is to them. After all, for every thing I buy, I must find a buyer.&quot;</p>
<p>Black Book (or wholesale) is probably most often used by dealers.&nbsp;</p>
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<p>From AutoBlog:</p><p>Black Book (or wholesale) is probably most often used by dealers.&nbsp;</p>
I have heard that also. However, can the Black Book really be $12,000 different from the KBB?

Any dealers out there that want to give me KBB and GM military discount, Please send me an email. We can talk.
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Originally Posted by gr8corvette
I have heard that also. However, can the Black Book really be $12,000 different from the KBB?

Any dealers out there that want to give me KBB and GM military discount, Please send me an email. We can talk.
On average when you actually take it in to get a firm Trade-In offer dealers will be 10 ~ 20% below KBB, they use prevailing local auction prices and might pad that a bit downward.
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I think most of the dealers around here use the Black Book values, but I've found NADA values to be pretty close to what I have been offered on a trade-in.
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KBB is what you use when you are told by the wife to sell the Corvette but you really don't want to. Then when it isn't selling, you can show her the kbb numbers and tell her it's priced fairly yet you have no idea why nobody has called.
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Originally Posted by gr8corvette
I did not really expect to paid $2,500 to take a 2016 on trade. However, I was not prepared for their offer: My 2015 plus $12,000 would get me the exact same 2016 Corvette. They said they did not use KBB, they had their own calculation.
Are you new to this country ?
Car dealers have been doing this since before you were born !
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Old Sep 12, 2015 | 01:18 AM
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If you're really serious about trading your car shop around to different dealers. When I recently sold my Audi S5 to a dealer the KBB trade in value was $26,500. I checked with 6 dealers and their offers ranged from $19,000 to $25,500. Assuming the 12k was a low ball offer from a dealer who didn't really want the car all that badly, another dealer that knows they can move the car fast and make a profit may be willing to pay quite a bit more. If you shop around you'll likely find closer to the trade value KBB says, but I wouldn't expect to get the full amount.

When I sold my car I made sure the dealers knew I was shopping for offers and named dealers I had been or was planning on going to. That way if a dealer was serious about buying it they would make a higher offer to ensure they outbid the competition.

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