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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 01:11 PM
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The analogue coolant temp gauge is consistently 220 once warmed up, but I recently started using the Tour/Performance view and noticed engine temp is variable, ranging from around 200-215.

I always thought engine temp was the same as coolant temp?

Does anyone know if there are different sensors for the digital engine temp and analogue coolant temp gauges? (or is the digital gauge more sensitive/quicker to respond?)

Also, what are acceptable Oil PSI ranges (also shown in Tour/Performance view)

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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 01:24 PM
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The analog and digital readings are different sensors.
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 01:27 PM
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My understanding was the engine temp and coolant temp were the same. Possibly reading coolant Temps from 2 different locations.
As far as what is an acceptable oil pressure. As long as you have 10 lbs of oil pressure for every 1000 rpms your in good shape.
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The analog gauge is basically a glorified idiot light which shows a basically fixed value over a wide range of actual coolant temperature. Ford did this for years with a lot of their vehicles and unfortunately GM is starting to do the same. Coolant temperature does NOT stay the same over varying operating conditions so the analog "semi-dummy" gauge is clearly not telling the whole story. At first I was disappointed that the Z06 doesn't provide a dedicated coolant temperature gauge (a manifold pressure gauge replaces it) but after finding out how the regular Stingray gauge works it isn't a loss.
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueDevilZ51
My understanding was the engine temp and coolant temp were the same. Possibly reading coolant Temps from 2 different locations.
As far as what is an acceptable oil pressure. As long as you have 10 lbs of oil pressure for every 1000 rpms your in good shape.
Someone noted that the analog engine temp gauge is actually reading just over 200 not 220. They also said the gauge is laid out by designers to look good and symmetrical! If you look careful and the bold lines it could be at the 200 mark!
Re oil pressure, the old oil pump parameters don't hold with the LT1 plus all oil pumps always had a max pressure control spring so pressure typically stopped increasing significantly after 3000 rpm(depended on the pump and spring.) But the LT1 has a computer controlled lower pressure to save energy. This is the GM statement:
"The LT1 dual-pressure control enables operation at a very efficient oil pressure at lower rpm coordinated with AFM and delivers higher pressure at higher engine speeds to provide a more robust lube system for aggressive engine operation." It definitely is lower than my C6, It's more like a two step level.
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The silliness of this gauge constantly reading 220 just cheapens the car, and takes away from the sports car experience.

Michael
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 03:25 PM
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My 2015 reads the same on both the digital and analog temp gauges. From what I've seen in other threads, the fixed 220 (or 200, whatever) on the analog gauge is limited to 2014 models.
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My 2015 reads the same on both the digital and analog temp gauges. From what I've seen in other threads, the fixed 220 (or 200, whatever) on the analog gauge is limited to 2014 models.
My 2016 is the same.
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really not reading engine temp at all just "coolant temp" if that makes any sense. coolant is moving pretty fast thru the engine to transfer the heat out thru the radiator and that's where the sensors sit. and I would agree it would depend on where the sensors sit to give an accurate reading but its kind of a guideline.

I could go into what heat has to do with stoichiometric theoretical equations but that's really boring sh&t and just computer calculations really but again its just a guideline to what you might be concerned about. Engine management likes to be around 220 for best fuel results so the coolant fans control the temp around that number. BUT having said that running a cooler T-stat gets the temp down a bit which allows the computer to adjust timing for better power. Cooler is better for performance but not so much for fuel economy but who cares about that on a vette right, lol. regards, paul
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Originally Posted by Michael A
The silliness of this gauge constantly reading 220 just cheapens the car, and takes away from the sports car experience.

Michael
Looked carefully at the analog water temp gauge again today. I believe I agree with the person who said gauges are laid out by designers NOT the engineers. You can make a case that the 220 is referring to the bold line above right of the 220 and was put there to fit better aesthetically! There is a bold line just slightly below where the needle typically is that could be the 200 F mark. This is reinforced my the oil temp gauge that I have displayed, it's just slightly above the 200 F when just normal cruising. Since the engine oil cooler uses engine cooling water would expect if the car was actually at 220 F the oil temp in normal cruising would be higher.
Will have to plug in my OBDII reader that is supposed to have real time output and see if I can read the coolant temp.

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Originally Posted by TNSQUIRE
The analog and digital readings are different sensors.
Where did you get this information?
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Originally Posted by JerryU
Since the engine oil cooler uses engine cooling water would expect if the car was actually at 220 F the oil temp in normal cruising would be higher.
Will have to plug in my OBDII reader that is supposed to have real time output and see if I can read the coolant temp.
Jerry,

Typically under load (and once normal operating temperature is reached) the oil temperature will run a bit higher than indicated coolant temperature but keep in mind the coolant sensor measures temperature at the high temperature point after it has circulated through the engine including the cylinder head area while the oil cooler is fed return water from the radiator after much of the heat has been transferred to atmosphere so the coolant is much cooler when it enters the oil to water heat exchanger. So it is quite possible for the oil temperature at times to run cooler than the indicated coolant temperature.
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Originally Posted by Michael A
The silliness of this gauge constantly reading 220 just cheapens the car, and takes away from the sports car experience.

Michael
It doesn't bother me a bit, I was just curious.
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