C7 General Discussion General C7 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Constraint Report - March 10th for April 4th Production Week

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-10-2016, 10:57 AM
  #1  
Zymurgy
Moderator

Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
Zymurgy's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: DFW Area TX
Posts: 35,611
Received 15,075 Likes on 6,173 Posts

Default Constraint Report - March 10th for April 4th Production Week

The following constraints are in effect for this week's consensus, target production week 04-04-16:

Stingray:
Z51 ..................................... 60% Model Year Material Restriction

Z06:
CFV Visible Carbon Fiber Aero Package ... 16% Model Year Supplier Material Restriction
ZCR Z06 with C7.R Special Edition ........ 0% Controlled Allocation
The following users liked this post:
r00t61 (03-10-2016)
Old 03-10-2016, 10:59 AM
  #2  
capecodvette
Drifting
 
capecodvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2012
Location: South Dennis MA
Posts: 1,615
Received 180 Likes on 150 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Zymurgy
The following constraints are in effect for this week's consensus, target production week 04-04-16:

Stingray:
Z51 ..................................... 60% Model Year Material Restriction

Z06:
CFV Visible Carbon Fiber Aero Package ... 16% Model Year Supplier Material Restriction
ZCR Z06 with C7.R Special Edition ........ 0% Controlled Allocation
I drive myself crazy trying to understand. 60% model year restriction on all options??

Last edited by capecodvette; 03-10-2016 at 10:59 AM.
Old 03-10-2016, 11:02 AM
  #3  
Zymurgy
Moderator

Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
Zymurgy's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: DFW Area TX
Posts: 35,611
Received 15,075 Likes on 6,173 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by capecodvette
I drive myself crazy trying to understand. 60% model year restriction on all options??
No, the Z51 option is constrained at 60%. Realistically, since 60% is above the normal take rate for Z51's, this constraint will have little affect on large dealers, but could impact low volume Corvette dealers. No other non-Z06 options have any constraints.
Old 03-10-2016, 03:16 PM
  #4  
dval
Pro
 
dval's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2016
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 662
Received 12 Likes on 12 Posts
Default

So 60% doesn't mean that if thay have 100 z51 models ordered thay can only build 60 of them ?

Last edited by dval; 03-10-2016 at 06:08 PM.
Old 03-10-2016, 03:32 PM
  #5  
xwing
Race Director
 
xwing's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: Southern Indiana
Posts: 16,486
Received 81 Likes on 57 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by dval
So 60% doesn't mean that if thay 100 z51 ordered thay can only build 60 of them ?
It means that if 100 Corvettes are ordered, only 60 are allowed to have Z51. Since most likely fewer than 60 will be requested with Z51, no impact usually.
Old 03-10-2016, 03:34 PM
  #6  
dval
Pro
 
dval's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2016
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 662
Received 12 Likes on 12 Posts
Default

Ok now I get it Thanks
Old 03-10-2016, 03:37 PM
  #7  
Black&White
Drifting
 
Black&White's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2015
Posts: 1,412
Received 140 Likes on 96 Posts
Default

Really I think they do that restriction so Dealers also have to order base cars too. Otherwise some Dealers would just order Z51s for inventory. This forces Dealers to order base cars if they want a Corvette.

Last edited by Black&White; 03-10-2016 at 03:39 PM.
Old 03-10-2016, 03:45 PM
  #8  
Zymurgy
Moderator

Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
Zymurgy's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: DFW Area TX
Posts: 35,611
Received 15,075 Likes on 6,173 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by dval
So 60% doesn't mean that if thay 100 z51 ordered thay can only build 60 of them ?
Realize that these constraint numbers represent nationwide averages. Every dealer gets told how many C7 Stingray and Z06 allocations they have for the current consensus. They are also told how many, if any, they have of each constrained item. So, an individual dealer (a small one) may only have 1 C7 allocation and zero Z51 allocations. That dealer, therefore, cannot place an order for a Z51 equipped C7. They can "enter" an order at any time, but GM will not accept it until the dealer has an allocation that includes all options on the order. Until GM accepts the order (it moves to event status 2000, an order just sits in the system at event status 1100. It can sit at 1100 forever (until the end of model year production) if the dealer never gets the appropriate allocation. At the end of the model year, all un-built orders are cancelled (they do not automatically roll over to the next model year).
Old 03-10-2016, 03:50 PM
  #9  
JoesC5
Team Owner
 
JoesC5's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 1999
Location: Springfield MO
Posts: 41,733
Received 1,699 Likes on 1,213 Posts

Default

I believe GM uses some restraints to control CAFE requirements. Even though the
"window sticker" gas mileage is the same for both the base and the Z51, the numbers used to calculate CAFE are different and the extra weight and the more aggressive gearing on the Z51 means lower numbers for CAFE.
Old 03-10-2016, 05:13 PM
  #10  
dval
Pro
 
dval's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2016
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 662
Received 12 Likes on 12 Posts
Default

You would think trucks would have more impact then stingrays if it was connected to Mpg
Old 03-10-2016, 08:47 PM
  #11  
laborsmith
Burning Brakes
 
laborsmith's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2013
Posts: 895
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

I believe trucks have separate requirements,

Laborsmith
Old 03-13-2016, 05:43 PM
  #12  
LT1 Z51
Corvette Enthusiast
Support Corvetteforum!
 
LT1 Z51's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2005
Location: Troy & Dearborn, Michigan
Posts: 5,343
Received 922 Likes on 614 Posts

Default

The allocation system is to control model mix, production, and residuals.

Constraints directly control model mix and supplier production.

The fact that allocations exist is to prevent lots of unsold cars sitting on lots that need to be sold at a discount.

Since no one can be trusted to be honest, sold orders (those made by customers) must use the same process.

Buying off the lot facilitates this system. If we had a produced when ordered system where cars only got built when people ordered them there would be no need for allocations or constraints.

I dislike the entire North American dealer and sales model and I feel it's archaic.
Old 03-13-2016, 09:31 PM
  #13  
Rookieracer
Melting Slicks
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Rookieracer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2004
Location: Valencia CA
Posts: 2,301
Received 197 Likes on 118 Posts

Default

What does this mean?

CFV Visible Carbon Fiber Aero Package ... 16% Model Year Supplier Material Restriction
Old 03-13-2016, 09:47 PM
  #14  
mpuzach
Race Director
 
mpuzach's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: La Center WA
Posts: 16,684
Received 1,190 Likes on 594 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Rookieracer
What does this mean?

CFV Visible Carbon Fiber Aero Package ... 16% Model Year Supplier Material Restriction
It means that the Visible Carbon Fiber Aero Package (as opposed to the Carbon Flash painted one) can only be ordered on 16% of Z06 allocations and that the restriction is due to a limited supply of parts from the parts supplier.
Old 03-13-2016, 10:34 PM
  #15  
Rookieracer
Melting Slicks
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Rookieracer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2004
Location: Valencia CA
Posts: 2,301
Received 197 Likes on 118 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by mpuzach
It means that the Visible Carbon Fiber Aero Package (as opposed to the Carbon Flash painted one) can only be ordered on 16% of Z06 allocations and that the restriction is due to a limited supply of parts from the parts supplier.
I was going to order a Z next week. I wonder what determines if my car will get built with this option?

Fundametally are they saying that more corvettes without this option need to be built before they can honor my order (to satisfy the 16%) or are they are out of parts period?
Old 03-13-2016, 10:44 PM
  #16  
Zymurgy
Moderator

Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
Zymurgy's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: DFW Area TX
Posts: 35,611
Received 15,075 Likes on 6,173 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Rookieracer
I was going to order a Z next week. I wonder what determines if my car will get built with this option?

Fundametally are they saying that more corvettes without this option need to be built before they can honor my order (to satisfy the 16%) or are they are out of parts period?
Your dealer must have a Z06 allocation with the CFV allowed or they will not be able to get your order accepted (moved to 2000 - anyone can enter an order that just sits at 1100). Your dealer knows if they have an allocation that meets your needs or not. However, most local dealers will not be forthright concerning their allocations. Each consensus cycle, dealers are told by GM how many of what they can order. The 16% number is a national average. Low volume dealers (1 or 2 Z06 allocations per cycle) are unlikely to get an allocation that allows CFV (16% of 2 is only a 32% chance, statistically speaking). A large volume dealer is much more likely to get onw or more CFZ allocations (for example, a dealer that gets 20 Z06 allocations will likely get at least 3 CFZ allocations).
The following users liked this post:
Rookieracer (03-13-2016)
Old 03-13-2016, 10:54 PM
  #17  
Rookieracer
Melting Slicks
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Rookieracer's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2004
Location: Valencia CA
Posts: 2,301
Received 197 Likes on 118 Posts

Default

Awesome. Thanks for the explanation!

Get notified of new replies

To Constraint Report - March 10th for April 4th Production Week

Old 03-13-2016, 11:06 PM
  #18  
dval
Pro
 
dval's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2016
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 662
Received 12 Likes on 12 Posts
Default

When a dealer puts a order in on a Thursday when do thay know if it goes to 2000 code
Old 03-13-2016, 11:08 PM
  #19  
mpuzach
Race Director
 
mpuzach's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: La Center WA
Posts: 16,684
Received 1,190 Likes on 594 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Rookieracer
What does this mean?

CFV Visible Carbon Fiber Aero Package ... 16% Model Year Supplier Material Restriction
Originally Posted by mpuzach
It means that the Visible Carbon Fiber Aero Package (as opposed to the Carbon Flash painted one) can only be ordered on 16% of Z06 allocations and that the restriction is due to a limited supply of parts from the parts supplier.
Originally Posted by Rookieracer
I was going to order a Z next week. I wonder what determines if my car will get built with this option?

Fundametally are they saying that more corvettes without this option need to be built before they can honor my order (to satisfy the 16%) or are they are out of parts period?
Originally Posted by Zymurgy
Your dealer must have a Z06 allocation with the CFV allowed or they will not be able to get your order accepted (moved to 2000 - anyone can enter an order that just sits at 1100). Your dealer knows if they have an allocation that meets your needs or not. However, most local dealers will not be forthright concerning their allocations. Each consensus cycle, dealers are told by GM how many of what they can order. The 16% number is a national average. Low volume dealers (1 or 2 Z06 allocations per cycle) are unlikely to get an allocation that allows CFV (16% of 2 is only a 32% chance, statistically speaking). A large volume dealer is much more likely to get onw or more CFZ allocations (for example, a dealer that gets 20 Z06 allocations will likely get at least 3 CFZ allocations).
John explained it perfectly (as usual!). The only thing I'll add is that there do not appear to be any restrictions on the availability of the Carbon Flash (metallic black painted) carbon fiber ground effects. If your dealer can't order the bare carbon fiber, they should be able to order the Carbon Flash painted version. It would also save you $1,000.
The following users liked this post:
Zymurgy (03-14-2016)
Old 03-13-2016, 11:09 PM
  #20  
mpuzach
Race Director
 
mpuzach's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: La Center WA
Posts: 16,684
Received 1,190 Likes on 594 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by dval
When a dealer puts a order in on a Thursday when do thay know if it goes to 2000 code
By the following Wednesday, possibly (but not always) a few days sooner.
The following users liked this post:
dval (03-13-2016)


Quick Reply: Constraint Report - March 10th for April 4th Production Week



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:04 AM.