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Old 05-16-2016, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mschuyler View Post
Have we not been told that the development costs for the C7 approached a billion dollars? (Add citation here.) So if they are selling less than 40,000 units a year, you think they are going to make that money back in a short production run? I have no idea myself, but I would think GM would need a longer production run to amortize the development costs.
The C7 R&D budget was $250,000,000, that's the fact.
We have been "told" that the budget (over)ran up to a billion by people on this forum that have NO idea what they are talking about and want/need/have to make any point they can that the C7 is somehow less then we OWNERS think it is.

There's no doubt during the C7's development, which was during and just after the bankruptcy, that it would be literally impossible for the car to go $750,000,000 OVER BUDGET.

The best part of the internet is that "some" guy can sling out an "OPINION" that gets repeated about a thousand times, at which point, it becomes FACT.

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I can't imagine a 300% over-budget for the C7. This isn't some government doing a "big dig" highway or a bridge to nowhere.
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My guess is the mid-engined Zora(?) will be a separate model from the C8 Corvette. It WILL be MUCH more expensive. The typical Corvette owner won't be able to afford it...therefore the C8 will follow as the successor of the C7. The Zora could be here in 2018.

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First of all, welcome!

Secondly, you should know that making sense with your initial post is frowned upon here.

Quickly, other members, mercilessly flog him...
Can we beat him like a dead horse?
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Originally Posted by jimmyb View Post
Don't know where you get that....

GM raised the price on a 3LT Z51 $18k from C6 to C7.
It's insane.
No thanks.

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Man, my life sucks.
I agree.
Your life does suck.

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So, let's see, you don't own a C7
Ditto

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He also has no P-car
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I'm so tired of everyone's "speculations" all the time, I'm tired of hearing about the mid-engine code named Unicorn Corvette, I'm tired of hearing about drivetrains, I'm tired of hearing about what models are going to be discontinued, I'm tired of hearing about [insert whatever rumor you want here]......unless any of this information is strait from GM's mouth then I won't believe a word anyone has to say and if any of this comes true who cares, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Enjoy your freakin' car and don't worry about the high school gossip.
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Originally Posted by 20171LE View Post
GM raised the price on a 3LT Z51 $18k from C6 to C7.
It's insane.
No thanks.



I agree.
You're life does suck.
*your

We'll all be fine if you buy a P-car and leave this forum. Really.
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Now, thats funny.
A sarcastic comment from a C6 owner. What a shock!
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Old 05-16-2016, 09:59 PM
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I just hope that the rumored starting price of $80,000 is not accurate. My 2016 C7 is my 8th Corvette. I'm a Vette junkie but even I don't want to pay $80,000 for a new C8.
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You know that technology is changing so fast that in order for cars to stay currant they need to be "refreshed" every 4-5 years.
Cafe regulations are going to make the V8 history very shortly. Tesla is making the gas engine history now, introducing better battery life, longer range and no over heating.
As with any new tech and it's involvement with a car that we love, the C7, we don't want to see it go away so soon. But, if GM has made their money back and some profit on this car, then it is time to push the bubble.
There are to many hints as to the future of the car, new $450,000,000 paint shop? I know that the robots are costly and the water based paints require special delivery techniques...but I really doubt that anything over $200,000,000 is need for the paint shop.
Ford and Acura both coming back into production of higher cost mid engine cars. Porsche commenting on the changing face of the industry.
It would only make sense for GM to try for a bit of the pie. Whether it is a Caddy or a Vette, or a shared platform there is sure to be mid engine coming out of Bowling Green soon.
People have been saying that it has to be a Corvette because it is GM's halo car, hell, there are pick ups that cost as much as a C7 Stingray. There are Caddys that are close to the same range or more. Corvette is Chevrolet's halo car, Caddy is GM's halo car.
My guess is a mid engine is going to arrive with in 18 months and it will be the future of GM's sports cars. Proper design and you can have everything the Stingray offers. Comfort in the cabin, room for luggage, good handling and a similar price. But the first one out of the factory is likely to be the 200K+ car which will go to the Ferrari car owners, Lambos and others.
It's baby will be the C8.....
I love my C7 and really enjoy it, but I want a mid engine car, have for years. I just hope it's a Corvette that I can afford...I really don't need the wife and kids, I'm sure that without them I can afford one.

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Originally Posted by 20171LE View Post
GM raised the price on a 3LT Z51 $18k from C6 to C7.
It's insane.
No thanks.



I agree.
Your life does suck.



Ditto



Ditto

Well, since you don't know, here you go:
To do an apples to apples comparison, you need to compare a 4LT C6 to a 3LT C7 as the 3LT in a C6 is equal to a 2LT on a C7. You're welcome

And now for Z51:

Bigger sways: C6 yes C7 yes
Oil and transmission coolers: C6 yes C7 yes
Bigger rotors (drilled or slotted): C6 yes C7 yes
Different transmission ratios: C6 yes C7 yes
Higher performance tires: C6 yes C7 yes
Electronic limited slip differential: C6 NO C7 yes
Dry sump oiling: C6 NO C7 yes
Launch Control: C6 NO C7 yes
Bigger wheels: C6 NO C7 yes
NPP: C6 NO (optional) C7 yes
Different aero: C6 NO C7 yes
And all the other goodies (like various driver modes) etc that are NOT on a C6.

So, the price difference in an apples/apples comparison (you can do the research this time since your $18K is DEAD wrong). Try comparing a 2009 (last year of C6 Z51) C6 4LT Z51 (and the optional NPP) to a 2016 C7 3LT Z51. That's as close as your going to get and there is NO way there's $18K difference. And your C6 will be missing MAJOR pieces (dry sump, ediff, etc) because they weren't available in the C6 Z51.

And more importantly, why are you wasting your time? You clearly don't like the car so because of that, you're just making stuff up....I don't get it.

Jimmy

EDIT:
I don't trust you to get the numbers right so I did the research for you:

2009 C6 with Z51/4LT/NPP: Original MSRP $58,840 Adjusted for inflation $65,311.28

2016 C7 with Z51/3LT: MSRP $71,140

The answers: 2009 MSRP to 2016 MSRP, the 2016 is $12,300 more.
Adjusted for inflation, the 2016 is $5,828.72 more.


Anything else this forum can help you with?

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Originally Posted by 20171LE View Post
GM raised the price on a 3LT Z51 $18k from C6 to C7.
It's insane.
No thanks.



I agree.
Your life does suck.



Ditto



Ditto
Your inability to make sense, make sentences, spell, and general literate performance is demonstrated in your posts. Give up while you still have a chance. You're (notice the spelling?) being laughed at by all.
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I'm so tired of everyone's "speculations" all the time, I'm tired of hearing about the mid-engine code named Unicorn Corvette, I'm tired of hearing about drivetrains, I'm tired of hearing about what models are going to be discontinued, I'm tired of hearing about [insert whatever rumor you want here]......unless any of this information is strait from GM's mouth then I won't believe a word anyone has to say and if any of this comes true who cares, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Enjoy your freakin' car and don't worry about the high school gossip.
Easy. Don't click on any thread that has the following words in it's title:
C8
Mid-engine
Zora
ZR1
Car and Driver
Don Sherman
Etc....

Some of us enjoy the back forth exchange of what MAY/MAY NOT happen with the future Corvette. Not sure why this bothers you so much???? All this rumor mongering has not diminished, in any way, my enjoyment of my C7.

Jimmy
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Originally Posted by jimmyb View Post
Easy. Don't click on any thread that has the following words in it's title:
C8
Mid-engine
Zora
ZR1
Car and Driver
Don Sherman
Etc....

Some of us enjoy the back forth exchange of what MAY/MAY NOT happen with the future Corvette. Not sure why this bothers you so much???? All this rumor mongering has not diminished, in any way, my enjoyment of my C7.

Jimmy
why does it bother me because most of the rumors are false, if you want to help spread false information fine, if you like reading fiction fine, if you want to add your two cents worth of bs and set your hopes on information that until verified by a GM official rather than someone who has owned a lot of Corvettes fine, all the power to you, enjoy. And if you don't like my post don't ready, your logic can go both ways pal.

Oh, I heard from a guy who's neighbor is the mailman that's married to a dude who used to own a C2 who says that the C8 is going to run on fairy dust, tell me your thoughts on that Jimmy.
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Originally Posted by themonk View Post
why does it bother me because most of the rumors are false, if you want to help spread false information fine, if you like reading fiction fine, if you want to add your two cents worth of bs and set your hopes on information that until verified by a GM official rather than someone who has owned a lot of Corvettes fine, all the power to you, enjoy. And if you don't like my post don't ready, your logic can go both ways pal.

Oh, I heard from a guy who's neighbor is the mailman that's married to a dude who used to own a C2 who says that the C8 is going to run on fairy dust, tell me your thoughts on that Jimmy.
How do you know it's false information? No doubt, it might all be BS, but it also might all be correct. No one knows (even you). And BTW, how am I SPREADING false information, exactly? I am commenting on something written by a guy (Don Sherman) that has been doing this (writing about cars) almost as long as I've been alive.
I never said any of this was FACT, I said it was fun to have the conversation about what MIGHT be. I disagree with some of Sherman's time lines as they don't make business sense to me. I've owned a lot of Corvettes also, that doesn't make me an expert on the future any more than it makes you. It makes me someone who enjoys talking about it. Clearly you don't, so why pollute a thread that you think is BS. Again, I don't understand it.

And finally: Here's something we KNOW. If GM bankruptcy hadn't happened, we would all be driving mid-engine C7's.
That, PAL, is a FACT.

Jimmy

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The one thing I haven't seen discussed or mention is that this is just more like society and technology now, we replace things far more frequently. I know a lot of you know Corvette history and a lot better then me and like to reference back to that but that has nothing to do with now or the way people are now. More people, especially the younger gen likes to replace things more often and continually improve or replace their stuff, they want the latest and greatest. How many people now keep TV's more then 5-7 years?! hardly anyone, same with computers, phones, and cars. I would bet if they do more then a 5-6 year run they'll start getting large drop offs in sales. I could see a 5 year run through 2018. Then at the end of '18 the start of production for the C8 being a '19 model. Just my guess, can't wait to find out!
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Bring it on GM! The C7 is an amazing car but nothing wrong with evolving! I don't know why some are so bitter about the thought of this! I have faith in GM that if they do go to a ME layout that they are doing it to improve the cars performance and dynamics and that would be a good thing!

People evolve (not some on here though), fashion evolves, technology evolves, so there's no reason the Corvette shouldn't evolve! If it were up to some on here, the Corvette would still have popup headlights and round taillights so they can drive it with joy while wearing their outdated clothes from the 90's.

News flash, all Corvette owners/enthusiasts are NOT on this Forum and do have different opinions on how they like to see the Corvette improved and marketed before they embrace the brand! If the Corvette comes out with a proper ME C8 while improving interior quality of what's already a pretty good interior quality, paint quality, etc. then as usual the C8 would still be a bargain at $80K when compared to the competition and would still be double digit % less priced than a similar equipped Porsche 911. Sure it will lose some buyers due to the higher price but it will also gain some buyers as well.
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I dont mind a Mid engine Corvette along side the traditional layout.

Seriously an $80k base price for Corvettes? So we'd be stuck with a HIGH END Camaro in the $50K-$60K if we wanted a small block v8 sports car?

As good as the new Camaro is, there is still a market for the current Corvette layout. The Corvette has a market all to itself actually if you think about it. GM is willing to leave that behind for some halo Vette?

What a crock a $#it
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Anything else this forum can help you with?
Let me dumb it down for some of you.
A no option C6 could have been purchased for around $40k.
Now, a no option C7 will cost you over $50k.

That's insane.


But, you did get ONE thing right.
If it wasn't for the bankruptcy, the C7 would have been mid engine.


Below are in print from Bob Lutz himself:


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...gine-corvette/


I first saw rough plans for a mid-engine Corvette around 2003.
That's when we were starting to think seriously about a replacement for the C6. GM's head of engineering, Jim Queen, came to see me and said,"The next one's got to be mid-engine."

Tadge Juechter had a PowerPoint presentation demonstrating, very credibly, that the C6 ZR1 was at the limit of usable rear-wheel-drive performance. The problem was really the front-mid-engine layout—we couldn't get the engine low enough and far back enough for proper weight transfer to the rear wheels under acceleration.
I didn't want to move out of our price class, but Tadge explained that while the transmission would cost more, the list price would increase by no more than $5000.




So, the fact that the C7 is nothing more than an warmed over C5/C6, AND it got a ridiculous price increase, is just insult added to injury.

I would have happily paid $50k for a no option mid-engine C7.
But, since GM didn't fully invest in the C7, neither will I.
Let's all hope the C8 is what the C7 should have been, and more.

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A warmed over c5/c6 ? Seriously? Baseless, might as well call the current 911 a warmed over beetle lol

The c7 costs 10k more for a lot of reasons. One thing i want to point though is that when the c6 came out in 04 the interior was already behind albeit a great leap over the 5th gen. Todays Corvette debuted with an interior and tech that could exceed its price point.


Originally Posted by 20171LE View Post
Let me dumb it down for some of you.
A no option C6 could have been purchased for around $40k.
Now, a no option C7 will cost you over $50k.

That's insane.


But, you did get ONE thing right.
If it wasn't for the bankruptcy, the C7 would have been mid engine.


Below are in print from Bob Lutz himself:


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...gine-corvette/


I first saw rough plans for a mid-engine Corvette around 2003.
That's when we were starting to think seriously about a replacement for the C6. GM's head of engineering, Jim Queen, came to see me and said,"The next one's got to be mid-engine."

Tadge Juechter had a PowerPoint presentation demonstrating, very credibly, that the C6 ZR1 was at the limit of usable rear-wheel-drive performance. The problem was really the front-mid-engine layout—we couldn't get the engine low enough and far back enough for proper weight transfer to the rear wheels under acceleration.
I didn't want to move out of our price class, but Tadge explained that while the transmission would cost more, the list price would increase by no more than $5000.




So, the fact that the C7 is nothing more than an warmed over C5/C6, AND it got a ridiculous price increase, is just insult added to injury.

I would have happily paid $50k for a no option mid-engine C7.
But, since GM didn't fully invest in the C7, neither will I.
Let's all hope the C8 is what the C7 should have been, and more.
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