Chasing sub-8 Nurburgring
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Chasing sub-8 Nurburgring
Sheesh, i've been at for a while now. It's unfortunate, but i can only make it out on sundays on tourist days, and the track is always full of traffic. ugh... i'm always in low 8 territory, but today had a really good shot at getting sub 8. First two laps there was kind of traffic, but after the second lap, i figured i'd cool down the car for 10 min and go for it. Traffic was minimal, but towards the end 1. the brakes overheated 
and 2. there were bunch of cars in front that i couldn't pass, and they stole those few seconds so 8:06. I was kind of going slow in a few spots as well, so that did't help.
stock c7z51 (no mag ride), 7spd manual, american spec.
cool thing is that i met this guy in alfa romio gullia (like the one that just set the record), so he is some big shot at an italian car magazine, and after a while of talking he invited me over for the next comparo they'll be doing at the ring, he really wants to use my C7 (along with viper, gullia and some other cars). So that's good news.
and 2. there were bunch of cars in front that i couldn't pass, and they stole those few seconds so 8:06. I was kind of going slow in a few spots as well, so that did't help. stock c7z51 (no mag ride), 7spd manual, american spec.
cool thing is that i met this guy in alfa romio gullia (like the one that just set the record), so he is some big shot at an italian car magazine, and after a while of talking he invited me over for the next comparo they'll be doing at the ring, he really wants to use my C7 (along with viper, gullia and some other cars). So that's good news.
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You should be proud of that!
Anything close to sub 8 is phenomenal, with other traffic present. Just watching for someone else to do something stupid is going to slow you down. The manufacturers have it all to themselves when they run their tests.
Anything close to sub 8 is phenomenal, with other traffic present. Just watching for someone else to do something stupid is going to slow you down. The manufacturers have it all to themselves when they run their tests.
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Kotik, you really know how to rub it in. How I miss driving the autobahn in light traffic and now you post about driving the Ring. For those that have never driven in Germany, you don't know what you are missing. Great roads, no speed limits on some areas of the autobahn, but best of all drivers don't drive along in the left lane unless they are overtaking other cars. Gosh, how I miss it.
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Kotik, you really know how to rub it in. How I miss driving the autobahn in light traffic and now you post about driving the Ring. For those that have never driven in Germany, you don't know what you are missing. Great roads, no speed limits on some areas of the autobahn, but best of all drivers don't drive along in the left lane unless they are overtaking other cars. Gosh, how I miss it.
I'm uploading some more now. Speaking of missing out. Met a guy a few months back with a c7z06 (lenghfender tuned), and he had US plates. So i got to talking with him and he said he just shipped it here for a month to have some fun on the autobahn. So I asked how it worked, he said that u just have to pay all the taxes on the car at the german customs, and once u take the car back, they reimburse you (mind u, all the taxes together are 30% of cars price)... but hey, if you can spare that, it's a great way to enjoy your vette in germany. Shipping one way from east coast is a tad over $1k.
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Just to be clear, this is 8:05 BTG (Bridge to Gantry), not 8:05 full lap. Definitely not taking away, dont get me wrong, as that's a hell of a performance with traffic and your own car, but...that equates to maybe an 8:35 (or more) full lap. C6ZR1 and C6Z06 were sub 7min BTG times. They don't run BTG, but based upon the record run of the ZR1, eliminating the straight time, it ran a 6:56 BTG and the Z06 was 6:58 BTG.
Just for total clarification of readers and viewers.
Just for total clarification of readers and viewers.
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Thanks for all the videos - great to be able to see what it's like driving over there.
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That's an AWESOME photo of your car!!!
As for the video, it looked like they let just about any car on the track, is that the case? It seemed like there were a lot of cars on the track that just out on a Sunday cruise and really slowing you down. You pulled of an amazing time based on the conditions that you had to deal with. Great job!!!
As for the video, it looked like they let just about any car on the track, is that the case? It seemed like there were a lot of cars on the track that just out on a Sunday cruise and really slowing you down. You pulled of an amazing time based on the conditions that you had to deal with. Great job!!!
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Just to be clear, this is 8:05 BTG (Bridge to Gantry), not 8:05 full lap. Definitely not taking away, dont get me wrong, as that's a hell of a performance with traffic and your own car, but...that equates to maybe an 8:35 (or more) full lap. C6ZR1 and C6Z06 were sub 7min BTG times. They don't run BTG, but based upon the record run of the ZR1, eliminating the straight time, it ran a 6:56 BTG and the Z06 was 6:58 BTG.
Just for total clarification of readers and viewers.
Just for total clarification of readers and viewers.
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So I've always wanted to go around this track. I've been around in in race sims over and over. Where in Germany is this located? If I was to take a trip there do they have rentals? What kind of rentals?
It's too bad I could never really put in a lot of seat time in my own car there. I would love to do that.
It's too bad I could never really put in a lot of seat time in my own car there. I would love to do that.
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So I've always wanted to go around this track. I've been around in in race sims over and over. Where in Germany is this located? If I was to take a trip there do they have rentals? What kind of rentals?
It's too bad I could never really put in a lot of seat time in my own car there. I would love to do that.
It's too bad I could never really put in a lot of seat time in my own car there. I would love to do that.
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it's about 15-20 seconds for the full lap. As far as official nurburgring times, there are a lot of factors. Back when c6 generation was tested, they used different tires, different brake pads, and race alignment. Also, they did sectoring, i.e car does 20-50 laps (a lot of laps), then they pick the best sector times and add them up to give u an official time. There are different tactics used by manufacturers. Even if you see full onboard lap video, it doesn't mean something about the car wasn't modified (or at least alignment wasn't changed). Recently a very cool Alfa Romeo video came out, where it did something like 835 full lap, now that looks about right, but he is driving it ***** to the wall with a lot of sliding and stuff (is what u get when u drive on regular tires). Then again, he has carbon ceramic brakes and auto tranny (which on the ring will get a better time). Just too many factors that are involved in "official times" (one other one being that they are driving company car).
Here are the actual GM videos(narrated by Tadge) of the Z06 and the ZR1 at the ring driven by Jim Mero. They are not spliced together to get "record" runs.
Pay close attention to what Tadge has to say starting around the 2:20 mark in this video, about the C6 Z06 and ZR1's set up for running at the Ring.
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Pure BS. The C6 Z06 and the ZR1 runs were made with factory alignment, trim height, tires etc, unlike the "race" alignment that GM puts in the C7's they hand out for tests/reviews.
Here are the actual GM videos(narrated by Tadge) of the Z06 and the ZR1 at the ring driven by Jim Mero. They are not spliced together to get "record" runs.
Pay close attention to what Tadge has to say starting around the 2:20 mark in this video, about the C6 Z06 and ZR1's set up for running at the Ring.
https://youtu.be/-uXroxngRVA
Here are the actual GM videos(narrated by Tadge) of the Z06 and the ZR1 at the ring driven by Jim Mero. They are not spliced together to get "record" runs.
Pay close attention to what Tadge has to say starting around the 2:20 mark in this video, about the C6 Z06 and ZR1's set up for running at the Ring.
https://youtu.be/-uXroxngRVA
that's what he said.....
Here is a fun tid bit, semi slicks (i.e pilot cups) will take 20-30 seconds of a lap time around nurburgring. Z06 tested in the vid is with Z07 package, i.e track version of the regular z06. I believe both have mag ride too and carbon ceramic brakes. Give me company owned c6Z06 with Z07 package, unlimited laps for a day, and i'll show u a low 7 lap time.
For reference, had 7:45 in my e90 m3 on bone stock suspension and brakes, with nt01 semi slicks (well... it was ESS supercharged, 575hp, but its not much use on the ring). Here is a vid of me following a gpower supercharged m3 around nurburgring GP track (that m3 also has full suspension and aero).
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that's what he said.....
Here is a fun tid bit, semi slicks (i.e pilot cups) will take 20-30 seconds of a lap time around nurburgring. Z06 tested in the vid is with Z07 package, i.e track version of the regular z06. I believe both have mag ride too and carbon ceramic brakes. Give me company owned c6Z06 with Z07 package, unlimited laps for a day, and i'll show u a low 7 lap time.
For reference, had 7:45 in my e90 m3 on bone stock suspension and brakes, with nt01 semi slicks (well... it was ESS supercharged, 575hp, but its not much use on the ring). Here is a vid of me following a gpower supercharged m3 around nurburgring GP track (that m3 also has full suspension and aero).
Here is a fun tid bit, semi slicks (i.e pilot cups) will take 20-30 seconds of a lap time around nurburgring. Z06 tested in the vid is with Z07 package, i.e track version of the regular z06. I believe both have mag ride too and carbon ceramic brakes. Give me company owned c6Z06 with Z07 package, unlimited laps for a day, and i'll show u a low 7 lap time.
For reference, had 7:45 in my e90 m3 on bone stock suspension and brakes, with nt01 semi slicks (well... it was ESS supercharged, 575hp, but its not much use on the ring). Here is a vid of me following a gpower supercharged m3 around nurburgring GP track (that m3 also has full suspension and aero).
Sure, the C6 Z06 had the Z07 FACTORY option and the ZR1 had the FACTORY PDE option. Neither had been modified with "race" modifications or alingments.
The C7 Z06 that was crashed by Jim Mero also had the FACTORY Z07 option but had a NON_FACTORY alignment. The C6 Z06 was so TERRIBLE that Jim Mero couldn't make it around the Ring without crashing it....Oh wait, that was the C7 Z06/Z07 he crashed.....
Out of thin air, and your ***, you made up the lies you posted about the C6's being "ringers" with modifications, non stock tires, etc and that their runs at the ring were made up using segmented times. PURE BS.
If you think you can run low 7 second times in a factory stock C6 Z06/Z07 or ZR1, why don't you apply for Jim Mero's job. Sounds as if they don't need his years of experience or his engineering degree to drive their cars at the ring, when they could have you. LOL
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