Out of Options! Ready to sue Dealer and GM
#41
Race Director
Its not a matter of 'winning'. If you posts are rational and well thought out most people here have enough common sense to understand your perspective. They may not agree and that doesn't make you wrong.
#42
Le Mans Master
I'm sorry you are having these issues.
Did the car not come with any warranties?
There are times when folks choose to save a few bucks, up front, in hopes they will get an essentially new car for a lot less than a actual new one would cost. Some folks get 'burnt' when they do this. You seem to be one of those folks.
The dealer had you sign a lot of papers when you bought the car, your rights are listed on those papers, as well as GM's. If your rights have been violated or ignored, you have a valid complaint, if not, you have no complaint.
Did the car not come with any warranties?
There are times when folks choose to save a few bucks, up front, in hopes they will get an essentially new car for a lot less than a actual new one would cost. Some folks get 'burnt' when they do this. You seem to be one of those folks.
The dealer had you sign a lot of papers when you bought the car, your rights are listed on those papers, as well as GM's. If your rights have been violated or ignored, you have a valid complaint, if not, you have no complaint.
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St. Jude Donor '15
"In honor of jpee"
You may want to stop using such wide generalizations because you could be way off the mark. It's better to "talk what you know."
Now that is funny!
Now that is funny!
#44
In your original post #1, you stated you purchased the C7 sight unseen.
You relied on a friend that owned a dealership and simply ran the VIN.
There have been many posts about buying program cars from GM that executives or sales manager were given to drive. They drive these cars hard, and they know they will be sold.
I don't believe you have any recourse. It is always buyer beware. You spent over $55,000 for something you never bothered to inspect or look at. That alone is very dangerous.
The vehicle is under warranty, let GM fix it. There can be no doubt that you made an error in the purchase and only you can be responsible for the decision. I find it very hard that you blame GM, when you need to face reality you fu$ked up on the purchase.
If your friend was a dealer, why not just buy new from him?
Doubtful the lemon law will stand. Threats of lawsuits are made every day without anyone really thinking about the cost to defend a lawsuit against a major corporation like GM.
Keep in mind it was your decision to buy this specific vehicle, most likely thinking you got a killer deal, unfortunately, that did not happen.
Bite the bullet, get the C7 repaired, sell it, and move on. There are many other obstacles in life than a bad car deal.
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You relied on a friend that owned a dealership and simply ran the VIN.
There have been many posts about buying program cars from GM that executives or sales manager were given to drive. They drive these cars hard, and they know they will be sold.
I don't believe you have any recourse. It is always buyer beware. You spent over $55,000 for something you never bothered to inspect or look at. That alone is very dangerous.
The vehicle is under warranty, let GM fix it. There can be no doubt that you made an error in the purchase and only you can be responsible for the decision. I find it very hard that you blame GM, when you need to face reality you fu$ked up on the purchase.
If your friend was a dealer, why not just buy new from him?
Doubtful the lemon law will stand. Threats of lawsuits are made every day without anyone really thinking about the cost to defend a lawsuit against a major corporation like GM.
Keep in mind it was your decision to buy this specific vehicle, most likely thinking you got a killer deal, unfortunately, that did not happen.
Bite the bullet, get the C7 repaired, sell it, and move on. There are many other obstacles in life than a bad car deal.
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#45
Melting Slicks
You bought a used C7 & are now having problems with it. GM has agreed to fix or replace faulty equipment & you expect them to give you a new car. You should be glad they are offering to repair.
#47
Racer
Bunch of BS. They replace the engine, they don't upgrade to a different model.
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#49
Instructor
I am surprised you got a certified GM program car. I bought a 2013 GS that was sn 00011. I couldn't get it certified because the dealer said it had not been registered and was still on the MSO. I even went to GM and they said they don't certify first owner cars. The GS had 7000 miles on it. I enjoyed the car, it was good. Btw, the first 20 or so cars are for qa and are listed as pre production (coded in the build sheet). Check my threads in the c6 section around May 2014.
Let them fix it.
Let them fix it.
Agreed. I have a 4LT 2013 GS sn 00020, coded as a "Pre-Production" vehicle and "Containment vehicle". It was assigned to Bowling Green and was driven for "evaluation" of the new model year platform change over. Bowling Green put 17k miles on mine. All the places it had been to were still in the NAV. It went back to Lansing, Indy, Carlisle, Hershey, Effingham, COTA, and a few more. I too bought it from a dealer from pictures and the first time I saw it in person was when the big orange truck brought it to me. It too was under warranty. It's not fair to saw GM trashed the car. Things break - thats why there are warranties - to correct problems when they occur. Let them correct the problems.
I didn't have any issues (other from road rash from being driven) but if I did, it was still under warranty and would have been taken care of.
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#51
I appreciate your thoughts
interesting and informative day reading the posts above
I will contact my level 2 customer care rep and try to get the engine, tranny and rear end replaced as opposed to repaired. Will update
I will contact my level 2 customer care rep and try to get the engine, tranny and rear end replaced as opposed to repaired. Will update
#52
Racer
Join the club, Do you know how many of us here purchased Brand NEW C7s only to have engines and transmissions, and rear ends blow? Lots and Lots and GM won't do anything but repair them. Get it fixed it's all you can do. If the car still isn't right sue GM with a lawyer skip the BBB thing it's useless get a good lawyer and sue. First however you must let them repair the car.
I went through this on new car from 50 miles to 1500. GM wouldn't buy back, traded in back and started over.
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So you bought a CTF (Capture Test Fleet) car.
It wasn't GM Employees who trashed it. It would be the specific GM employee who had it for 3-6 months (depending on the Employees level). I would say 3 months and at least Senior Manager level. FYI.
It wasn't GM Employees who trashed it. It would be the specific GM employee who had it for 3-6 months (depending on the Employees level). I would say 3 months and at least Senior Manager level. FYI.
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St. Jude Donor '16-'17,'22,'24
I have been a lurker here for three years, waiting and hoping this C7 would improve before I take the plunge. I am having a very hard time diving in due to all the issues that repeatedly come up with this car. If they have made huge strides as you say and these cars are still blowing engines, differentials, etc then I would hate to have owned an old Vette. I want to believe, and buy one, but I just can't get myself to do it. Maybe I need to wait for the C8 or the Zora. Arrrrgh. It's killing me.
This thread is not a good example of a used Vette as there have been multiple threads about GM executive cars and that they are a higher risk purchase than an average C7. I don't know if the repair record for the GM executive cars is maintained on the GM computer system or not.
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CTF, level 8+, or ambassador...
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Level 8+ (so EGM's and Tech 8's) usually get 6 month cars from what I understand. You need to be a Senior Manager or Director to get a 3 month refresh. 2600 miles to me sounds like 3 months, not 6.
Ambassador car would have WAAAY more miles, and I think they stopped that program.
Ambassador car would have WAAAY more miles, and I think they stopped that program.
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Sorry you're having these problems, however you probably signed a binding arbitration agreement when you bought the car as most of us have.
Unfortunately it leaves most of us with our pants down when it comes to a lot of these issues.
The best thing is to let the warranty work for you, and take it from there.
Unfortunately it leaves most of us with our pants down when it comes to a lot of these issues.
The best thing is to let the warranty work for you, and take it from there.
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#58
Drifting
The normal drive time rules don't necessarily apply to CTF cars. They go to 8th level and above and can be pulled early depending on the status of the CTF vehicle program.
I am not a GM employee. The above is my understanding from friends and neighbors who are.
I am not a GM employee. The above is my understanding from friends and neighbors who are.
Level 8+ (so EGM's and Tech 8's) usually get 6 month cars from what I understand. You need to be a Senior Manager or Director to get a 3 month refresh. 2600 miles to me sounds like 3 months, not 6.
Ambassador car would have WAAAY more miles, and I think they stopped that program.
Ambassador car would have WAAAY more miles, and I think they stopped that program.
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#60
Team Owner
I have been a lurker here for three years, waiting and hoping this C7 would improve before I take the plunge. I am having a very hard time diving in due to all the issues that repeatedly come up with this car. If they have made huge strides as you say and these cars are still blowing engines, differentials, etc then I would hate to have owned an old Vette. I want to believe, and buy one, but I just can't get myself to do it. Maybe I need to wait for the C8 or the Zora. Arrrrgh. It's killing me.
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