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Obviously because you said "but my god the thing was just so damn slow".
It is also obvious that this entire thread is asking how the HC compares to the C7, thus my other comment was very relevant. I'm not sure how else I can explain my response without resorting to emojis.
Quoting without context is fun, huh? Here, I'll spell out how the conversation went for you:
Originally Posted by Mr. Smith
I tested out the acceleration from different speeds. To say I was let down would be an understatement. 707hp should feel great and make your hands a bit sweaty, but that wasn't the case at all! I've owned two 700+hp cars (both 2003 Cobras with Whipples), and those Cobras would have straight up mopped the floor with this pig.
Originally Posted by \Boost Monkey/
.... I agree on your assessment 100% of the 707hp. The Charger is heavier, sure [than the Challenger that OP tested], but my god the thing was just so damn slow.
I knew the thing was a pig, but just didn't expect the power to weight to feel this bad.
And, AGAIN, that's what the thread was about, cool, but had nothing to do with my statement that you quoted and responded to.
I don't what else I can do to help you understand.
Last edited by \Boost Monkey/; Apr 28, 2017 at 04:47 PM.
Originally Posted by joemosfet View Post
This thread is quickly turning into a **** show. For being car guys, you people don't really like cars very much.
Well there are car guys and then there are fanboys that think a corvette is the only car on the face of the planet cant tell em any different.
The Hellcat is significantly faster than an LT1 equipped C7 so I guess those cars are slow as well.
Compared to my old 700hp Cobras, yes, yes it is slow.
Originally Posted by \Boost Monkey/
You're missing the point... why do people keep thinking my post was somehow comparing it to the C7? Or that it has anything whatsoever to do with a C7?
It doesn't matter if it's faster than a Z51, it matters how fast it is, standalone, having a whopping 707hp. Because the car is so heavy, 707 doesn't feel like 707. 4600lbs is a heavy *** car dude...
People tend to just pay attanetion to "wow! 707hp!" but don't look at how heavy the car is. The expectations are high once you start focusing too hard on power figures alone and not look at the whole package.
This is exactly how I felt.^^^ I never said the car put down horrible times when tested on a prepped track, I just said it felt slow for 707hp and I was disappointed.
Originally Posted by undercooked chicken
How can you compare a Challenger to a Corvette? What a ridiculous comparison!
How about ..
Hellcat Challenger to ZL1 Camaro
C7 Z06 to Gen 5 Viper.
Because they are both $73,000 cars. If I have that money burning a hole in my pocket, I would look at both of them to compare which one I'd want to buy. I never said they were classified the same on paper.
This review is a clownshow. The comments on the fit and finish (which is great) made the BS flag fly high. This whole thing probably never happened.
then there's this little nugget:
lol brah unless youre driving a Z06 a Hellcat would beat you like a read headed stepchild[/QUOTE]
^^^^^^
This is the car I drove. It was located in Savannah, GA. As far as the Hellcat beating a Z51 Corvette, yeah, maybe, but I'd bet those 275 wide tires won't hook and that car will be spinning while I'm down the track......
Originally Posted by pdiddy972
How do you reconcile this impression with the fact that the Hellcats basically beat everything from a roll?
Read your comment again slowly.... nobody has to "reconcile their impressions". Opinions can't be wrong.... my opionion was disappointment.
This thread has taken on a life of it's own. I have owned both within the last six months and they are both awesome cars in their own rights. I bought one for the precision and one for the big old fat muscle car feel. I agree that they are two completely different vehicles. My wife has had a Camaro and currently a Mustang. The Challenger is the only one of the three with a useful back seat without stepping up to a 4 door.
Read your comment again slowly.... nobody has to "reconcile their impressions". Opinions can't be wrong.... my opionion was disappointment.
The reconcile meant simple physics says the butt dyno feels X acceleration Gs. If the Hellcat produces them (meaning it's getting you moving faster quicker than some other car) I can still how steering it would still seem ponderous, but as far as acceleration...
I messed with this guy a few weeks back. I don't know what gear he was starting in, but I was in 3rd and he couldn't pull on me until I was going into 5th. My Z51 is just valve-back,so I wasn't too impressed. Not saying it's slow, after getting into 5th he'd pull away pretty good but for that much more power I'm not impressed. I've had a 750 rwhp Vette and 650 whp Cobra and they would have mopped the floor with that car, hell I think my old 10 CTSV with a few basic mods would have given that car a good run.
I messed with this guy a few weeks back. I don't know what gear he was starting in, but I was in 3rd and he couldn't pull on me until I was going into 5th. My Z51 is just valve-back,so I wasn't too impressed. Not saying it's slow, after getting into 5th he'd pull away pretty good but for that much more power I'm not impressed. I've had a 750 rwhp Vette and 650 whp Cobra and they would have mopped the floor with that car, hell I think my old 10 CTSV with a few basic mods would have given that car a good run.
I agree ... really that was my whole point to begin with..^^
I was just expecting a little bit more.
Well 700+ horsepower on a lower weight car means you should easily pull on a heavier 700hp car at the crank.
I am by no means a Hellcat lover. I would never buy one. But they are pretty cool for what they are and in this day in age of turbo charge 4 cylinder engines, very unique.
For me, handling is very important so the C7 would be the easy choice between the two cars. I simply don't want to drive a 4K+ lbs car as my "sports car". Having owned three RX-7's (non of them stock), a BRZ (not stock), and a number of tuned WRX's and most recently a non-stock MK7 Golf R, the C7 is the biggest car (in terms of dimensions) sporty car I have ever owned. And one of the heaviest. My FD RX-7 made over 350whp but weighed under 2800lbs.
Ironically enough I was very keen on keeping the MK7 Golf R as my daily and buying a Lotus Elise as the fun car but decided to go all in on C7 and picked up a used Honda Fit (6 speed manual!) when the weather is bad or need the backseat.
Last edited by thill444; Apr 29, 2017 at 03:45 PM.
^^^ I definitely had the red key. I guess my experience with power is different because of the cars I've owned in the past. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was horribly slow, it's just that it didn't feel like 707hp. The comfort and room inside was the only positive thing I could say about the car. Seat of the pants feel seemed like from 0-100mph my Vette would walk away, but maybe after that it would pass...
If your C7 isn't a Z06 I would say that your SOTP meter is very off, the hellcat will murder a base C7 in acceleration. As far as fit and finish , you must have gone to a dealer with a bunch of lemons, SRT makes a great product.
If your C7 isn't a Z06 I would say that your SOTP meter is very off, the hellcat will murder a base C7 in acceleration. As far as fit and finish , you must have gone to a dealer with a bunch of lemons, SRT makes a great product.
So Dodge doesn't make the car? How does it work? SRT manufactures a whole car? They get a base Dodge and rebuild it? They stick a motor in an otherwise production Dodge? Do they repaint it? Do they correct panel gaps?
Do you have any more info on the relationship between Dodge and SRT? Links to official websites would be helpful.
Well done sir.