New vs used
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Racer
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From: South Dallas Tx
New vs used
Considering you can buy a similarly equipped C7 used vs new and save about 15k is there any disadvantage other than not knowing history and it being a year or two older? Is there anything in particular to look out for on a 15 or 14?
Ideally, I hope to buy something that is still under factory warranty so I can purchase an extended. I assume there are dealers online that offer special pricing on warranties only.
Any advice is appreciated.
Ideally, I hope to buy something that is still under factory warranty so I can purchase an extended. I assume there are dealers online that offer special pricing on warranties only.
Any advice is appreciated.
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Apr 30, 2017, 02:11 PM
Safety Car
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It's and age-old question, isn't it? Go to YouTube and type in "new used car" and you'll get dozens of answers each way. If you're a numbers guy and all you care about is money spent and money saved, then no matter what car you buy, buying used makes more financial sense. The trade-off comes from pitting depreciation against repair costs with depreciation being higher in earlier years and repair costs rising in later years.
But it's not all about money, is it? It's also about who has farted in your car. There is not an industry-standard dollar value per fart, so it must be a subjective measurement based on your tolerance level. Now some people may attempt to turn this around into a "virgin vs experience" issue and suggest that "experience" could be considered valuable compared to "inexperience." After all, Oscar Wilde once said, "I like men who have a future and women who have a past."
But we're not talking the virginity of a new car here; we're talking farts per mile. That "new car smell" you have in a brand new vehicle does not go away on its own. It's farted away until it's gone by a complex chemical reaction between polymers of the new car smell and methane and sulfur comprising a fart. So if you can't smell that "new car smell" you KNOW, for a fact, that extensive farting has occurred in that car.
And THAT is why a new car is preferable to a used car.
But it's not all about money, is it? It's also about who has farted in your car. There is not an industry-standard dollar value per fart, so it must be a subjective measurement based on your tolerance level. Now some people may attempt to turn this around into a "virgin vs experience" issue and suggest that "experience" could be considered valuable compared to "inexperience." After all, Oscar Wilde once said, "I like men who have a future and women who have a past."
But we're not talking the virginity of a new car here; we're talking farts per mile. That "new car smell" you have in a brand new vehicle does not go away on its own. It's farted away until it's gone by a complex chemical reaction between polymers of the new car smell and methane and sulfur comprising a fart. So if you can't smell that "new car smell" you KNOW, for a fact, that extensive farting has occurred in that car.
And THAT is why a new car is preferable to a used car.
Le Mans Master
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From: Bonney Lake Washington
Thanks to Vette owners
there are few performance cars that are better buys used because:
a. Vette owners are willing to pay to buy new to replace barely used
examples
b. Vette owners are **** (why is rain so feared?) and maintain them
and drive them as if they are to be inherited, not sold
c. For performance cars they are reasonable to own and maintain especially
compared to other more exotic nameplates
d. You've got the informed members of this website who can alert you to
any chronic concerns so buying used is a more informed decision
e. The only major concern was the (new) A8 auto tranny which has caused some grief
and the electronic diff which was part of the Z51 package
enjoy.............
a. Vette owners are willing to pay to buy new to replace barely used
examples
b. Vette owners are **** (why is rain so feared?) and maintain them
and drive them as if they are to be inherited, not sold
c. For performance cars they are reasonable to own and maintain especially
compared to other more exotic nameplates
d. You've got the informed members of this website who can alert you to
any chronic concerns so buying used is a more informed decision
e. The only major concern was the (new) A8 auto tranny which has caused some grief
and the electronic diff which was part of the Z51 package
enjoy.............
Last edited by dbirdhouse1; Apr 30, 2017 at 01:59 PM.
Safety Car
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From: Bainbridge Island WA
It's and age-old question, isn't it? Go to YouTube and type in "new used car" and you'll get dozens of answers each way. If you're a numbers guy and all you care about is money spent and money saved, then no matter what car you buy, buying used makes more financial sense. The trade-off comes from pitting depreciation against repair costs with depreciation being higher in earlier years and repair costs rising in later years.
But it's not all about money, is it? It's also about who has farted in your car. There is not an industry-standard dollar value per fart, so it must be a subjective measurement based on your tolerance level. Now some people may attempt to turn this around into a "virgin vs experience" issue and suggest that "experience" could be considered valuable compared to "inexperience." After all, Oscar Wilde once said, "I like men who have a future and women who have a past."
But we're not talking the virginity of a new car here; we're talking farts per mile. That "new car smell" you have in a brand new vehicle does not go away on its own. It's farted away until it's gone by a complex chemical reaction between polymers of the new car smell and methane and sulfur comprising a fart. So if you can't smell that "new car smell" you KNOW, for a fact, that extensive farting has occurred in that car.
And THAT is why a new car is preferable to a used car.
But it's not all about money, is it? It's also about who has farted in your car. There is not an industry-standard dollar value per fart, so it must be a subjective measurement based on your tolerance level. Now some people may attempt to turn this around into a "virgin vs experience" issue and suggest that "experience" could be considered valuable compared to "inexperience." After all, Oscar Wilde once said, "I like men who have a future and women who have a past."
But we're not talking the virginity of a new car here; we're talking farts per mile. That "new car smell" you have in a brand new vehicle does not go away on its own. It's farted away until it's gone by a complex chemical reaction between polymers of the new car smell and methane and sulfur comprising a fart. So if you can't smell that "new car smell" you KNOW, for a fact, that extensive farting has occurred in that car.
And THAT is why a new car is preferable to a used car.
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so if we figure out how to get rid of the fart smell we can all buy used? sounds reasonable enough.
for me it's the dishonesty associated with used car dealers and people. unless i knew the car from brand new i would always wonder if that noise, symptom or failed part, paint was screwed around with lol.
ocd is a terrible disease.
for me it's the dishonesty associated with used car dealers and people. unless i knew the car from brand new i would always wonder if that noise, symptom or failed part, paint was screwed around with lol.
ocd is a terrible disease.
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Racer
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From: South Dallas Tx
It's and age-old question, isn't it? Go to YouTube and type in "new used car" and you'll get dozens of answers each way. If you're a numbers guy and all you care about is money spent and money saved, then no matter what car you buy, buying used makes more financial sense. The trade-off comes from pitting depreciation against repair costs with depreciation being higher in earlier years and repair costs rising in later years.
But it's not all about money, is it? It's also about who has farted in your car. There is not an industry-standard dollar value per fart, so it must be a subjective measurement based on your tolerance level. Now some people may attempt to turn this around into a "virgin vs experience" issue and suggest that "experience" could be considered valuable compared to "inexperience." After all, Oscar Wilde once said, "I like men who have a future and women who have a past."
But we're not talking the virginity of a new car here; we're talking farts per mile. That "new car smell" you have in a brand new vehicle does not go away on its own. It's farted away until it's gone by a complex chemical reaction between polymers of the new car smell and methane and sulfur comprising a fart. So if you can't smell that "new car smell" you KNOW, for a fact, that extensive farting has occurred in that car.
And THAT is why a new car is preferable to a used car.
But it's not all about money, is it? It's also about who has farted in your car. There is not an industry-standard dollar value per fart, so it must be a subjective measurement based on your tolerance level. Now some people may attempt to turn this around into a "virgin vs experience" issue and suggest that "experience" could be considered valuable compared to "inexperience." After all, Oscar Wilde once said, "I like men who have a future and women who have a past."
But we're not talking the virginity of a new car here; we're talking farts per mile. That "new car smell" you have in a brand new vehicle does not go away on its own. It's farted away until it's gone by a complex chemical reaction between polymers of the new car smell and methane and sulfur comprising a fart. So if you can't smell that "new car smell" you KNOW, for a fact, that extensive farting has occurred in that car.
And THAT is why a new car is preferable to a used car.
This is by far the most entertaining answer I have ever read to a question like this!
There is no way in hell I will ever drive a used car again without thinking of this.It makes me really question if the more suede used in the higher trim packages will absorb fart more quickly. Perhaps, I should consider base models only. I know what you're thinking. Just get the convertible, but then you never know who was hot boxing that SOB just to get fart all into the rag top.
Racer
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From: Kentucky
Segan, nothing wrong with buying a couple of year old C7. You should be able to get a good read on the vehicle history, if not stay away.
You can also get a GMEPP warranty at a reasonable price as long as the original warranty has not expired. Even if it is still in factory warranty term, I would have a dealer pull warranty history before you buy to make sure there is no surprises (some have had GM block the warranty even for newer ones).
New ones are being discounted right now so do your math.
VH
You can also get a GMEPP warranty at a reasonable price as long as the original warranty has not expired. Even if it is still in factory warranty term, I would have a dealer pull warranty history before you buy to make sure there is no surprises (some have had GM block the warranty even for newer ones).
New ones are being discounted right now so do your math.
VH
Racer
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From: Gastonia
with the OP on originality of mschulyer's answer,lol.I couldn't stop laughing. That being said I'm on my third C7 and all were new. But I have to admit when looking at preowned, of all the possible previous issues, I hadn't factored flatulation into the spreadsheet.
Great deals both ways, comes down to what is the most important to you.
Last edited by JC 2004; Apr 30, 2017 at 02:45 PM.
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I bought a two year old Stingray last year. It only had 3,200 miles, was immaculate, and came with a Certified Pre-Owned designation from the dealer (which came with an extra year of factory warranty). I was also pleased that I purchased it $20,000 less than the original sticker price. I normally always buy a new car, but I would not shy away from a similar used car in the future.
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Not reasonable at all and not a good conclusion. That would be like treating the symptoms instead of the disease. Just because it cannot be smelt does not mean it has not been dealt. Sulfur and methane, which are the two active ingredients, are destructive to just about everything. They both cause breathing problems as well as being destructive to plastic, leather, and other components found in cars. A car permeated by flatulence is subject to excess deterioration. Simply spraying perfume or replacing the floor mats will not cut it. Death by fire is the only real solution. Since you really don't want to do that, buy new for peace of mind.
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I went through this exact same question over the past 6 months. couldn't find the 2LT or 3LT I wanted locally so expanded search nationally.
Always ask a dealer if they know anything about the previous owner... many times they might know the owner and can provide helpful info, also get the CarFax.
I found that if a dealer doesn't have the GM certified pre-owned warranty, ask them to add this in, and often they will if that will sell the car. I found one dealers who was willing to add 1-year GM certified warranty for $569, not bad for a year's worth of insurance, plus some maintenance and other features.
In my opinion, try to avoid previous rental cars and leased vehicles, because those drivers beat them up. i've seen coupes with gouged and crimped rubber seals where the removable roof sits because unless the roof is placed back careful, that rubber gets messed up!
Finally, check out '16s still remaining. I didn't think I could afford a new '16 until I found one locally by checking the dealer's website. It was the last one on his lot and was discounted an incredible $15K off MSRP. I said, "Take another $5K off and you'll get this car off your lot TODAY."--final price out the door. The salesman looked at me like I was crazy. But I knew the '18s will be out soon and there are still '17s on the lot. They need to move these cars quickly and they are incurring a lot of cost in keeping them.
So he said he'd call the dealer. When he returned he looked shocked because the dealer said I had the deal. If you can pay cash you have a lot of bargaining power but even not, dealers will do whatever they can to sell the '16s, and you get the full 3-year warranty.
Finally, let me share the car sales websites I found most useful for looking at large numbers of Vettes and getting a sense of the pricing. There are four: autotrader.com autolist.com carfax.com getauto.com
I hope this helps! May the Vette be with you
Always ask a dealer if they know anything about the previous owner... many times they might know the owner and can provide helpful info, also get the CarFax.
I found that if a dealer doesn't have the GM certified pre-owned warranty, ask them to add this in, and often they will if that will sell the car. I found one dealers who was willing to add 1-year GM certified warranty for $569, not bad for a year's worth of insurance, plus some maintenance and other features.
In my opinion, try to avoid previous rental cars and leased vehicles, because those drivers beat them up. i've seen coupes with gouged and crimped rubber seals where the removable roof sits because unless the roof is placed back careful, that rubber gets messed up!
Finally, check out '16s still remaining. I didn't think I could afford a new '16 until I found one locally by checking the dealer's website. It was the last one on his lot and was discounted an incredible $15K off MSRP. I said, "Take another $5K off and you'll get this car off your lot TODAY."--final price out the door. The salesman looked at me like I was crazy. But I knew the '18s will be out soon and there are still '17s on the lot. They need to move these cars quickly and they are incurring a lot of cost in keeping them.
So he said he'd call the dealer. When he returned he looked shocked because the dealer said I had the deal. If you can pay cash you have a lot of bargaining power but even not, dealers will do whatever they can to sell the '16s, and you get the full 3-year warranty.
Finally, let me share the car sales websites I found most useful for looking at large numbers of Vettes and getting a sense of the pricing. There are four: autotrader.com autolist.com carfax.com getauto.com
I hope this helps! May the Vette be with you
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+1. I bought my new 2017 6 months ago also bc i couldn't get any of the used vettes to budget enough on the price to justify buying used.
Le Mans Master
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You have to do the research and the math and do what makes the most sense for you. If you factor in taxes I saved over $9K buying a 2016 with 2600 miles on the car vs buying the same specd car brand new from MacMulkin. The car still had the majority of the bumper to bumper and powertrain warranty left.
To me it was worth the savings vs buying new. It's my first Corvette and I did not want to eat all the depreciation if I sold the car within a few years. I also expanded my search for over 100+ miles and found exactly what I wanted used with 30 miles if my house (but in another state).
That said used is not for everyone. Some people just want the new car experience. Some people want to custom order specific colors and trim. Some people just have money to burn and don't care about the savings of new vs used. Lots of reasons and none of them wrong.
Do what makes sense to you and your budget. No wrong answer here.
To me it was worth the savings vs buying new. It's my first Corvette and I did not want to eat all the depreciation if I sold the car within a few years. I also expanded my search for over 100+ miles and found exactly what I wanted used with 30 miles if my house (but in another state).
That said used is not for everyone. Some people just want the new car experience. Some people want to custom order specific colors and trim. Some people just have money to burn and don't care about the savings of new vs used. Lots of reasons and none of them wrong.
Do what makes sense to you and your budget. No wrong answer here.
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Racer
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From: South Dallas Tx
I went through this exact same question over the past 6 months. couldn't find the 2LT or 3LT I wanted locally so expanded search nationally.
Always ask a dealer if they know anything about the previous owner... many times they might know the owner and can provide helpful info, also get the CarFax.
I found that if a dealer doesn't have the GM certified pre-owned warranty, ask them to add this in, and often they will if that will sell the car. I found one dealers who was willing to add 1-year GM certified warranty for $569, not bad for a year's worth of insurance, plus some maintenance and other features.
In my opinion, try to avoid previous rental cars and leased vehicles, because those drivers beat them up. i've seen coupes with gouged and crimped rubber seals where the removable roof sits because unless the roof is placed back careful, that rubber gets messed up!
Finally, check out '16s still remaining. I didn't think I could afford a new '16 until I found one locally by checking the dealer's website. It was the last one on his lot and was discounted an incredible $15K off MSRP. I said, "Take another $5K off and you'll get this car off your lot TODAY."--final price out the door. The salesman looked at me like I was crazy. But I knew the '18s will be out soon and there are still '17s on the lot. They need to move these cars quickly and they are incurring a lot of cost in keeping them.
So he said he'd call the dealer. When he returned he looked shocked because the dealer said I had the deal. If you can pay cash you have a lot of bargaining power but even not, dealers will do whatever they can to sell the '16s, and you get the full 3-year warranty.
Finally, let me share the car sales websites I found most useful for looking at large numbers of Vettes and getting a sense of the pricing. There are four: autotrader.com autolist.com carfax.com getauto.com
I hope this helps! May the Vette be with you
Always ask a dealer if they know anything about the previous owner... many times they might know the owner and can provide helpful info, also get the CarFax.
I found that if a dealer doesn't have the GM certified pre-owned warranty, ask them to add this in, and often they will if that will sell the car. I found one dealers who was willing to add 1-year GM certified warranty for $569, not bad for a year's worth of insurance, plus some maintenance and other features.
In my opinion, try to avoid previous rental cars and leased vehicles, because those drivers beat them up. i've seen coupes with gouged and crimped rubber seals where the removable roof sits because unless the roof is placed back careful, that rubber gets messed up!
Finally, check out '16s still remaining. I didn't think I could afford a new '16 until I found one locally by checking the dealer's website. It was the last one on his lot and was discounted an incredible $15K off MSRP. I said, "Take another $5K off and you'll get this car off your lot TODAY."--final price out the door. The salesman looked at me like I was crazy. But I knew the '18s will be out soon and there are still '17s on the lot. They need to move these cars quickly and they are incurring a lot of cost in keeping them.
So he said he'd call the dealer. When he returned he looked shocked because the dealer said I had the deal. If you can pay cash you have a lot of bargaining power but even not, dealers will do whatever they can to sell the '16s, and you get the full 3-year warranty.
Finally, let me share the car sales websites I found most useful for looking at large numbers of Vettes and getting a sense of the pricing. There are four: autotrader.com autolist.com carfax.com getauto.com
I hope this helps! May the Vette be with you
http://www.freedomchevydallas.com/Ve...-TX/2854713363
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The dealer I bought my Vette at has a new base coupe stingray 2lt for 55k. I suspect that there are more deals like that to be had at other dealers. By the way, it is Hare Chev in Indy.
I would spend a little keyboard time looking at better new deals than that one. Especially if he will not deal on it.
Happy hunting.
VH
I would spend a little keyboard time looking at better new deals than that one. Especially if he will not deal on it.
Happy hunting.
VH
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It's and age-old question, isn't it? Go to YouTube and type in "new used car" and you'll get dozens of answers each way. If you're a numbers guy and all you care about is money spent and money saved, then no matter what car you buy, buying used makes more financial sense. The trade-off comes from pitting depreciation against repair costs with depreciation being higher in earlier years and repair costs rising in later years.
But it's not all about money, is it? It's also about who has farted in your car. There is not an industry-standard dollar value per fart, so it must be a subjective measurement based on your tolerance level. Now some people may attempt to turn this around into a "virgin vs experience" issue and suggest that "experience" could be considered valuable compared to "inexperience." After all, Oscar Wilde once said, "I like men who have a future and women who have a past."
But we're not talking the virginity of a new car here; we're talking farts per mile. That "new car smell" you have in a brand new vehicle does not go away on its own. It's farted away until it's gone by a complex chemical reaction between polymers of the new car smell and methane and sulfur comprising a fart. So if you can't smell that "new car smell" you KNOW, for a fact, that extensive farting has occurred in that car.
And THAT is why a new car is preferable to a used car.
But it's not all about money, is it? It's also about who has farted in your car. There is not an industry-standard dollar value per fart, so it must be a subjective measurement based on your tolerance level. Now some people may attempt to turn this around into a "virgin vs experience" issue and suggest that "experience" could be considered valuable compared to "inexperience." After all, Oscar Wilde once said, "I like men who have a future and women who have a past."
But we're not talking the virginity of a new car here; we're talking farts per mile. That "new car smell" you have in a brand new vehicle does not go away on its own. It's farted away until it's gone by a complex chemical reaction between polymers of the new car smell and methane and sulfur comprising a fart. So if you can't smell that "new car smell" you KNOW, for a fact, that extensive farting has occurred in that car.
And THAT is why a new car is preferable to a used car.