Dealer doc fee at Kerbeck?
05-16-2017, 10:47 AM
#102
Le Mans Master
Courtesy deliveries
Does anyone know if Kerbeck or other high volume dealers will order a car for you and deliver it to your local dealer?
Can a dealer refuse to do a courtesy delivery?
Can a dealer refuse to do a courtesy delivery?
Last edited by TEXHAWK0; 05-16-2017 at 10:47 AM.
05-16-2017, 11:02 AM
#103
Melting Slicks
They can and they do. That's how I got my car. I made a list of dealers I thought might work for the courtesy delivery and MacMulklin guys called around and found one of em. They also made the comment some of the others on the list were not so nice. Probably the ones that sell Corvettes.
Courtesy dealers charge you anywhere from nothing to (I've read) close to $1k. They also get money from GM to do setup on the new car.
05-16-2017, 11:03 AM
#104
Platinum Supporting Dealership
Yes, we can arrange courtesy deliveries for orders with participating Chevrolet dealers in your area. Not all Chevrolet dealers are willing to do courtesy deliveries.
05-16-2017, 11:26 AM
#105
Racer
Between Kerbeck and MacMulkin... MacMulkin was able to give me a better deal by a few hundred after factoring in Kerbecks doc fees and the delivery fee (995) from MacMulkin. I just had it shipped right to my driveway. No need to have it delivered to a nearby dealership.
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05-19-2017, 07:52 AM
#106
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You have 50 states with their own state laws, and thousands of independently-owned businesses called dealerships. The variations and range of how to do biz in each state---let alone all 50 states---with thousands of dealers is almost infinite.
As to worrying about the out-the-door price and not worrying about added fees is fine for those who believe that, but just remember: if, after getting your out-the-door price, the owner of the dealership walked up to you and said, "I'm a good guy. I'm gonna give you back the $400, $699, or $1,128 in doc and application fees ON TOP OF your price that you wanted!" Would you take it?
So, maybe besides what you think is a good deal you still overpaid.
Dealers and those in sales want to make money; it's not a socialist society---it's a free form of democracy. You have choices, so do businesses. When their price or process hurts businesses too much, they either change or go out of biz. When it hurts you too much, you can change dealers, change brands of cars, or don't buy one at all.
Don't pay a doc fee, do pay a doc fee. You have choices. Be glad.
As to worrying about the out-the-door price and not worrying about added fees is fine for those who believe that, but just remember: if, after getting your out-the-door price, the owner of the dealership walked up to you and said, "I'm a good guy. I'm gonna give you back the $400, $699, or $1,128 in doc and application fees ON TOP OF your price that you wanted!" Would you take it?
So, maybe besides what you think is a good deal you still overpaid.Dealers and those in sales want to make money; it's not a socialist society---it's a free form of democracy. You have choices, so do businesses. When their price or process hurts businesses too much, they either change or go out of biz. When it hurts you too much, you can change dealers, change brands of cars, or don't buy one at all.
Don't pay a doc fee, do pay a doc fee. You have choices. Be glad.
I do my research, I come up with a price that I consider fair to all parties, and that is what I offer. Am I paying more than I could have? Maybe. I might also be paying less. What I KNOW is that my car buying is simplified, painless, and doesn't take forever.
05-19-2017, 08:14 AM
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Between Kerbeck and MacMulkin... MacMulkin was able to give me a better deal by a few hundred after factoring in Kerbecks doc fees and the delivery fee (995) from MacMulkin. I just had it shipped right to my driveway. No need to have it delivered to a nearby dealership.
L1FRDOG
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I have bought two cars from Kerbeck, both custom ordered for exactly what I wanted as all my 5 Vettes have been. One I flew to NJ and picked it up when it was delivered to them because at the time could not find a local dealer who would accept courtesy delivery.
This time for my new Grand Sport I found a dealer 25 miles away who would. GM charges $995 to ship a car to a dealer, beit one in Bowling Green or LA! In fact if you pay extra and have museum delivery you will still pay the $995. That is their fixed price to wherever in the continental US. (That is common Freight policy in many businesses, we charged the same to ship 40,000 lbs of welding wire to a fabricator a mile away from the factory as one 2000 miles away.)
I buy from Kerbeck because they have great service, are easy to do business with and no price haggling. I paid exactly what was quoted on my first phone call, not a penny more. I only look at one number, the bottom line. They are the largest Vette dealer (by 50% in the annual purchase data I was able to find on the net) for a reason. Ordering some 25 cars per week, I assume mostly for stock as they always have 100+ available, they also can get an option I want that may be on 10 to 20% allocation. A local or smaller dealer many not order enough Vettes to get that option.
My buying and delivery experience have been great. Have never had any issues with service with the local Chevy dealer in town. Service is operated as a separate business and they want good comments when GM askes in a survey! The only folks concerned are the local dealers salesman and sales manager who don't make a commission!
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05-19-2017, 08:48 AM
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And that's where local dealers come into play. It's generally accepted that the large forum dealers aren't so hot with trades, so you almost have to sell outright. A local dealer might be $2k higher, but might give you $2k more for your trade, so you come out better with the lower tax liability...at least here in Iowa where they vacuum out your bank account with their 5% sales tax.
One critical factor dealing with a trade is, will the dealer re-sell the car or wholesale it. I think from the minute Mike saw my C5 drive on the lot he knew it would be on their line-up. I've had the same experience with other car deals. The dealer who has a need for a car like your trade-in, will give it a higher dollar value because they're buying it for their inventory. It's not some PITA trade they have to unload at an auction (which costs money).
Last edited by roadbike56; 05-19-2017 at 08:50 AM.
05-20-2017, 05:57 PM
#109
Easy question to answer.
NJ has a very strict law about the doc fee and was the center of a giant law suit some 10 or 15 years ago.
The law in NJ is that if you charge anyone a doc fee then you must charge it to everyone and it must be the same amount. You can not change it or waive it.
The only way around charging the doc fee is to not do the DMV work that is associated with the doc fee. If the customer does their own DMV then there is no doc fee.
If you decide to finance your vehicle, we are required by the banks to make sure the lien is put on the title or we owe all of that money back to the bank. So, if you finance, we must do the DMV work and, by NJ law, we must charge the doc fee.
For a while, we were letting everyone choose to do their own DMV work but there were a few (including a few forum members) who did not do the DMV properly with the lien. Most fixed this issue after weeks of calls and emails but a few (including 2 un-named forum members) never did fix their titles and now we won't be paid for the cars until they payoff their loans, assuming they ever do.
So, we don't require customers to pay a doc fee. If you choose to have us do your DMV or your bank requires us to do so, then we will charge the $379 doc fee.
Dave
NJ has a very strict law about the doc fee and was the center of a giant law suit some 10 or 15 years ago.
The law in NJ is that if you charge anyone a doc fee then you must charge it to everyone and it must be the same amount. You can not change it or waive it.
The only way around charging the doc fee is to not do the DMV work that is associated with the doc fee. If the customer does their own DMV then there is no doc fee.
If you decide to finance your vehicle, we are required by the banks to make sure the lien is put on the title or we owe all of that money back to the bank. So, if you finance, we must do the DMV work and, by NJ law, we must charge the doc fee.
For a while, we were letting everyone choose to do their own DMV work but there were a few (including a few forum members) who did not do the DMV properly with the lien. Most fixed this issue after weeks of calls and emails but a few (including 2 un-named forum members) never did fix their titles and now we won't be paid for the cars until they payoff their loans, assuming they ever do.
So, we don't require customers to pay a doc fee. If you choose to have us do your DMV or your bank requires us to do so, then we will charge the $379 doc fee.
Dave
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05-22-2017, 11:42 AM
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