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Old 08-12-2017, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tubajim
Didn't ethanol come into vogue as a replacement for MTSB or some such named oxygenate that was causing all kinds of problems with the water supplies? I thought that's when ethanol became the new oxygenate. Is there any truth to that? Just wondering if there really is or was any connection.
Ethanol was actually the first oxygenate used in significant quantities, in high altitude Colorado in the winter to help with their CO problem back in the 1970’s. But as the ethanol lobby pushed for more, they made the mistake of having the legislation written to demand oxygenates, not the specific oxygenate ethanol. Turns out MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether) was far more economical, so the mandate was mostly met with that compound. Unfortunately, it is water soluble and showed up in drinking water as a result of inefficient 2-cycle outboard engines on lakes, and leaking gas station tanks, so was banned.

By that time, fuel injection had come into play, so oxygenates no longer had any environmental benefit, and by any intelligent measure, the oxygenate mandate should have been cancelled. The initial benefit had been because with carburetors, there was no fuel to air feedback loop, so using an oxygenate made the engine run leaner, hence less pollution. But with fuel injection and its feedback loop, fuel to air was automatically adjusted, so oxygenates no longer had any pollution benefit. Trouble is, the ethanol lobby is very strong (farmers growing the corn and fat cat investors backing ethanol plants), so they managed to get the rules shifted to specify ethanol, which is really what they had wanted in the first place.

Unfortunately for the consumers, the Republicans were too firmly in the pocket of the farmers and rich investors, and the Democrats are too unquestioning in their support for anything that is claimed to be environmental, so the Republicans and Democrats cooperated to give us ethanol. As noted in post #28, it’s collective political stupidity of the highest order.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:01 PM
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If you are looking for E0, here is the website. Just select your state.
https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=UT
Old 12-06-2017, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Zymurgy
Well, yes and no. DFW area is an EPA designated non-attainment area. Non-attainment areas must have and implement a plan to meet the standard, or risk losing some forms of federal financial assistance. So, the state prohibits the sale of ethanol free gas as part of the plan to meet the standard. If it weren't for the EPA and the resultant loss of Federal $, we would not have the ethanol free ban. Texas has fought the EPA on this for years.
nothing good about Ethanol at all. It costs all of us in many forms. Increased parts costs to combat the destructive effects of the ethanol. Loss of mileage.
We can only hope and pray the current administration severely limits the EPA in all its harmful rules and regulations.
Old 12-06-2017, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Midiwiz
ergo the seafoam reference. your carb had the jet gummed up as injectors etc will also. Harley sells an ethanol "remover" so it doesn't kill the engine.

you have to remember Corn isn't good for you....why would a corn by product be good for anything else
If the Iowa Cacus was not the first step in the presidential primary process, never would have happened or even discussed no benefit to anyone but the corn lobby.
Old 12-06-2017, 06:54 PM
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Only for the boat and ATV.



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