2017 GS Steering
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2017 GS Steering
Drive in Sport mode all the time unless weather is really bad. Steering seems sloppy lately, as if the steering wheel has more play than initially. Always liked the positive steering but car feels like having too much play in steering wheel lately. Will let corvette tech. check this out at next oil change. Car has 9900 miles. Noticed this at approx. 7K miles. Any explanation why the steering wheel may have more play now than for the first 7K miles? Serious answer would be appreciated. I have been driving Vettes since 1975 and wonder what is happening here.
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Is the steering still in sport mode or did you somehow change it to tour mode, independent of the MSRC setting? They can be changed independently through the infotainment screen options menu. Worth checking. My GS only has 6k miles, but the steering is still the same as when I bought it, if this helps for referencing.
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[QUOTE=SLOWRYDE;1596499966]Is the steering still in sport mode or did you somehow change it to tour mode, independent of the MSRC setting?
Thanks for responding. Steering is still in Sport; that's what I checked first to be sure. Just do not understand why this steering play is occurring. I wonder whether there could be something wrong with the MSRC. Will have it checked for leaky shock absorber (which is difficult to see unless car is jacked up) at upcoming oil change. Don't know. Just was hoping some experts on this forum could give me some "probable cause" info to take to dealer. Also wonder whether alignment could cause this. After all, we all drive over potholes sometimes and rough railroad crossings. BTW this is our daily driver, no garage queen.
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Thanks for responding. Steering is still in Sport; that's what I checked first to be sure. Just do not understand why this steering play is occurring. I wonder whether there could be something wrong with the MSRC. Will have it checked for leaky shock absorber (which is difficult to see unless car is jacked up) at upcoming oil change. Don't know. Just was hoping some experts on this forum could give me some "probable cause" info to take to dealer. Also wonder whether alignment could cause this. After all, we all drive over potholes sometimes and rough railroad crossings. BTW this is our daily driver, no garage queen.
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Alignment could cause this as you mentioned.
Also, tire wear will eventually make the steering seem less precise.
I would go and visually check your tires to make sure there is no uneven wear that is occurring that may be caused by misalignment.
I would test the steering in Tour mode and Track mode. You should experience less steering resistance in tour mode and more steering resistance in track mode. If you don't, there may be something going on with the steering box. Make sure steering is linked to mode or manually change the steering in settings.
Also, tire wear will eventually make the steering seem less precise.
I would go and visually check your tires to make sure there is no uneven wear that is occurring that may be caused by misalignment.
I would test the steering in Tour mode and Track mode. You should experience less steering resistance in tour mode and more steering resistance in track mode. If you don't, there may be something going on with the steering box. Make sure steering is linked to mode or manually change the steering in settings.
Last edited by c54u; Feb 1, 2018 at 06:29 PM.
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Alignment could cause this as you mentioned.
Also, tire wear will eventually make the steering seem less precise.
I would go and visually check your tires to make sure there is no uneven wear that is occurring that may be caused by misalignment.
I would test the steering in Tour mode and Track mode. You should experience less steering resistance in tour mode and more steering resistance in track mode. If you don't, there may be something going on with the steering box. Make sure steering is linked to mode or manually change the steering in settings.
Also, tire wear will eventually make the steering seem less precise.
I would go and visually check your tires to make sure there is no uneven wear that is occurring that may be caused by misalignment.
I would test the steering in Tour mode and Track mode. You should experience less steering resistance in tour mode and more steering resistance in track mode. If you don't, there may be something going on with the steering box. Make sure steering is linked to mode or manually change the steering in settings.
Just checked all four tires; looks like even wear and all wear indicators are still showing; tire treat wear looks ok.
Also did the test (you recommended) steering in Tour, track, and Sport mode with each steering mode linked to respective mode. Very sloppy in Tour (which it always has been) but could not tell whether track and sport were much different from each other (maybe slightly more resistant in track but not noticeably) but both Sport and track noticeably more resistant than tour. Still lots of play in steering wheel in both sport and track. Do you know how much play the steering wheel should have in all modes?
Thanks for these test suggestions; really appreciate constructive answers.
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Toe can make a significant difference in steering feel.I recall a very dramatic situation that frankly had me nervous! We had tickets for an an NFL exhibition game at the Gamecocks stadium where the Chicago Bars were plying. Our CEO had a brother working for the Bears.
I rented a small bus for 12 of us. It felt OK when I got it and drove it home but as soon as I got on the highway with a full load it would dart right or left with a small turn of the wheel! Never mentioned to the others that the 60 miles trip was very nerve-racking! Stayed in one lane and turned the wheel as little as possible! When I got to the stadium could see the front end was toeed out-did not need a calibrated eyeball!
That was similar to the rear toe specified for my old Corvair. It was like 1/4 inch toed in! Yep they wears tires but it also was a help in countering oversteer as the rear was actually steering in on a turn!
I'd have the alignment checked ASAP.
PS: Just checked and the rear toe in a '65 and later Corvair was 1/4 inch +- 1/16 inches. A poster autocrossing said he preferred 5/6 inches! Amazing what you can quickly find on the Net!
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Yes, front or rear caster and/or toe could be out of spec, without seeing uneven tire wear. Out of spec camber is what usually causes uneven tire wear across the tread block.
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Good luck.
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Steering settings are certainly linked to MSRC selections unless manually over ridden by the driver. The steering selection doesn’t impact MSRC performance, but it is connected in the default settings. Not trying to confuse the OP.
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There really should be no play in the steering in all modes. There is just more resistance to the steering feel and you go from Tour to Sport to Track. If your car alignment is checked and is ok, I would let the dealer look at the steering problem you are experiencing. There may be a problem with the steering box/assembly or links.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Thanks; I personally think this is happening (steering box). Have an appt. set up for Tuesday with vette tech. When I take a sharp curve, I almost oversteer because of the "loose play feel" in the steering wheel. Does not feel solid like a sport car should. I have driven vettes since 1975 and always loved the solid feel and response of all my/our vettes.
Will report if they find out what is going on.
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Yes, of course, and that was already covered in the thread well before my comment. OP was speculating that an MSRC malfunction may have something to do with the issue. My comment was aimed at ruling that out.
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Is it play or does it take less force to turn the wheel?
How do you oversteer with the steering wheel?
I dont think you're using the right terms here. I'm not trying to nit-pick, but unless you describe it accurately, we won't be able to help as effectively.
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Thanks; I personally think this is happening (steering box). Have an appt. set up for Tuesday with vette tech. When I take a sharp curve, I almost oversteer because of the "loose play feel" in the steering wheel. Does not feel solid like a sport car should. I have driven vettes since 1975 and always loved the solid feel and response of all my/our vettes.
Will report if they find out what is going on.
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Thanks; I personally think this is happening (steering box). Have an appt. set up for Tuesday with vette tech. When I take a sharp curve, I almost oversteer because of the "loose play feel" in the steering wheel. Does not feel solid like a sport car should. I have driven vettes since 1975 and always loved the solid feel and response of all my/our vettes.
Will report if they find out what is going on.
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I dont think you're using the right terms here. I'm not trying to nit-pick, but unless you describe it accurately, we won't be able to help as effectively.
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When I take a sharp curve, I almost oversteer because of the "loose play feel" in the steering wheel. Does not feel solid like a sport car should. I have driven vettes since 1975 and always loved the solid feel and response of all my/our vettes.
Will report if they find out what is going on.
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Will report if they find out what is going on.
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Know all about oversteer, had a modified Corvair!
My guess is it may be excess toe out. Will be interesting to see what they find.
Last edited by JerryU; Feb 4, 2018 at 04:21 AM.