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Old May 8, 2018 | 01:30 PM
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In the C7-GS owners manual it states that "More Engine Power is available" several times. Example: Perf Trac 3 has more engine power than Perf Trac 2. Question: How do we find out how much more engine power is there between the different modes and selections.?

I have gone thru the manual and can't find the specifics to what "more" or "less" means. I am sure there is more engine power available in Track mode than in touring; but, how much ?? I suspect there may be a tread on this already; but; did not fine one; so my apologies if this is the case.

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You could take it in to be dyno'ed. There is a vendor RPM in Delaware that can pin this down for you if you really want an accurate answer.
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Thank you; I was thinking that there may be a tech manual or something already out there that ha; or may have a range of what would be the normal; don't need an exact number.
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You're probably going to get nothing but people's unsupported opinions when you ask a broad, open ended question like yours. None of this will really matter as what really counts is hard data. A dyno is the way to pin this down. Just my 2 cents.
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This doesn't have anything to do with having more than 460hp. What it means is the PTM (Performance Traction Management) will allow you to have more of the 460hp in Perf Trac 3 than Perf Trac 2 by not cutting power to manage wheel slip.
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This doesn't have anything to do with having more than 460hp. What it means is the PTM (Performance Traction Management) will allow you to have more of the 460hp in Perf Trac 3 than Perf Trac 2 by not cutting power to manage wheel slip.
So if I understand you correctly, PT2 cuts back on power to the wheels? I don't think the OP was suggesting there would be more power than 460HP. OP wanted to get a better understanding of the difference in power between the 2 modes. He question is legit to ask.
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This doesn't have anything to do with having more than 460hp. What it means is the PTM (Performance Traction Management) will allow you to have more of the 460hp in Perf Trac 3 than Perf Trac 2 by not cutting power to manage wheel slip.
Correct: Just thought for GM to say in the owners manual there would be more or less power depending on selections; that they would have done some sort of measuring that could be passed on the the users. Not looking for more than the max of 460hp; but, would like to know what my max is based upon other selections.
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Old May 8, 2018 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gullwaydad
Correct: Just thought for GM to say in the owners manual there would be more or less power depending on selections; that they would have done some sort of measuring that could be passed on the the users. Not looking for more than the max of 460hp; but, would like to know what my max is based upon other selections.
That purely depends on conditions and driver, the nannies are computer controlled and adjust based on inputs from sensors
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Details were addressed in Ask Tadge. Basically, in a control loop, there’s a requested torque output from the driver based on accelerator pedal position. The PTM uses various inputs to determine how much torque is actually provided to meet driver request.

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Originally Posted by Gullwaydad
Correct: Just thought for GM to say in the owners manual there would be more or less power depending on selections; that they would have done some sort of measuring that could be passed on the the users. Not looking for more than the max of 460hp; but, would like to know what my max is based upon other selections.
Still a fast car Gullwaydad....now go and get it ready for next weeks Cruiser Week,,,, we'll be down for the 20th year in a row. Great event.
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This doesn't have anything to do with having more than 460hp. What it means is the PTM (Performance Traction Management) will allow you to have more of the 460hp in Perf Trac 3 than Perf Trac 2 by not cutting power to manage wheel slip.
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Originally Posted by MMD

So if I understand you correctly, PT2 cuts back on power to the wheels? I don't think the OP was suggesting there would be more power than 460HP. OP wanted to get a better understanding of the difference in power between the 2 modes. He question is legit to ask.
The different selections change the throttle response not the total power. For instance if you drop the hammer in third gear at 60 mph while in Sport 1 the car will accelerate at reduced rate since the computer controlled throttle doesn't open as fast as if you are in RACE Mode. That helps people who don't understand basic throttle control and treat the throttle as an on/off switch. However, you will be able to get all 460 hp once you reach wide open throttle at full load and 6400 rpm.

You have to remember the engine only produces 460 HP at 6400 rpm, at wide open throttle and at full load. The LT1 or LT4 power curve will tell you how much power the engine produces at other rpms if the throttle is wide open and there is a full load applied to the car.

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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
The different selections change the throttle response not the total power. For instance if you drop the hammer in third gear at 60 mph while in Sport 1 the car will accelerate at reduced rate since the computer controlled throttle doesn't open as fast as if you are in RACE Mode. That helps people who don't understand basic throttle control and treat the throttle as an on/off switch. However, you will be able to get all 460 hp once you reach wide open throttle at full load and 6400 rpm.

You have to remember the engine only produces 460 HP at 6400 rpm, at wide open throttle and at full load. The LT1 or LT4 power curve will tell you how much power the engine produces at other rpms if the throttle is wide open and there is a full load applied to the car.

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Yep BD...standard stuff here. Do you know why a LT1 Stingray produces 5 less HP at peak load than does a Grand Sport?
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Stingray without the NPP exhaust = 455HP
Stingray with NPP exhaust(option) but standard w Z51 = 460HP
GS NPP standard = 460HP
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