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05-31-2018, 07:53 AM
#61
I think *some* of it is a natural push back because there are seemingly a lot of Tesla True Believers who insist that the Tesla is a 'sports car' just because it has very high torque electric motors, regardless of the fact those motors are bolted to a 2.5 ton 'sedan' chassis. Your own statement implies that the Tesla is a "muscle car -- just not a traditional one" -- a statement that a lot of enthusiasts would disagree with.
Another component of the pushback is probably the condescension and elitism that is attached to much of the whole electric car movement, especially apparent in many (though certainly not all) Tesla and Prius owners. To these folks, if you are not a rabid fan of electric cars, then you are some sort of backwards rube who just doesn't know any better, or an evil entity who hates the earth and wants to kick kittens and poison the climate. There is no room in their minds for rational people to disagree.
Again, your own observation that people expressing dislike for Tesla as being "bent out of shape", and thus implying irrationality on their part.
Another component of the pushback is probably the condescension and elitism that is attached to much of the whole electric car movement, especially apparent in many (though certainly not all) Tesla and Prius owners. To these folks, if you are not a rabid fan of electric cars, then you are some sort of backwards rube who just doesn't know any better, or an evil entity who hates the earth and wants to kick kittens and poison the climate. There is no room in their minds for rational people to disagree.
Again, your own observation that people expressing dislike for Tesla as being "bent out of shape", and thus implying irrationality on their part.
When I met people who bought a Tesla, they did so because of the incredible acceleration and insignificant maintenance costs. (Especially in comparison to the BMW 7 series and Mercedes S-Class sedans). None of these people were considering a Corvette as an alternative option. In fact, very few of the Tesla buyers that I have come across seemed to be interested in cars. They tend to be business owners or officers in the military with long morning commutes. In my opinion, the Tesla is primarily a "Techie" car, as opposed to a "car guy" car. It's a go-machine for the iPhone generation. I can see where a traditional "car guy" would see this as a sort of elitism or eco-snobbery. But again, I think the paradigm of the average Tesla buyer is different than that of the average Corvette or Porsche buyer.
05-31-2018, 09:31 AM
#62
Drifting
I admire the car and technology that has gone into it. As said above many times, it is the car of the future. One step beyond that is the integration of "autonomous" vehicles that will eventually replace ALL of the cars we see today. Next-door to my work place in Michigan is the new autonomous testing track that ALL of the major auto manufactures have put LARGE investments into the technology. If you pay attention you can see where this is taking all of us. Follow the $$$. An auto production expert the other day said in 50 years or LESS, it will be illegal to take a dumb car like ours on the road; same as you don't see horse buggy's on the interstate. Technology and computer tech is expanding exponentially every year. I'm old and won't see it, but my grand kids certainly will. Till then, I'll keep my C7 and enjoy the V8 rumble, and I'll certainly pass on stoplight to stoplight against a Tesla.
05-31-2018, 09:51 AM
#63
Burning Brakes
Were you around in 1973 and had to wait on line at a gas station for up two days just to get gas ? I have. That Tesla would plug in at home and laugh at you as he drove by. Don't get me wrong I love my C6. My C6 and Honda dirt bike are the only thing's I have that run on Gasoline. Tesla is kinda the future type of cars and their here to stay. Sorry. 
I recall in the aftermath of Superstorm sandy we had no power for almost 3 weeks in my entire neighborhood and most all of Long Island- It would take a week for a gas generator to top off a tesla. Gas was short but i was able to get it- when the electric car is done it done. I was able to siphon gas from my old mb (almost like a 16 gallon cannister) and had a few 5 gal cannisters that allowed me fuel to run up to Ct to top off and refill the canisters. NO amount of AAA batteries will save you there.
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05-31-2018, 10:09 AM
#64
Team Owner
Musk is big on making promises that don't pan out.
PS- those range numbers that Tesla throws out are best scenario. Real world driving(like driving at 85 MPH on I-90 across Montana when the temp is 10 degrees and you want some heat in the car) won't get you anywhere near those numbers.
I get 30 MPG out of my 19 year old ICE on the Interstate; that's all the time, any speed and any ambient, not just when I drive at 45 MPH in 70 degree temps with no heat or A/C turned on. A new ICE can get closer to 35-38 MPG on the Interstate, meaning one can still drive further than 150 miles without range anxiety, plus I don't have to plan my life around where a Tesla Supercharger is located. Can't find a Tesla Supercharger when you need one? Then plug your Tesla into a standard 110VAC receptacle and it will take one hour of charge to get 5 miles of range, or plug into a special 220 VAC receptacle(still difficult to find when you need a charge) and get 25 miles of range for each hour of charge.
Me, I'll take stopping at one of the over 100,000 gas stations in the USA and "waste" 5-10 minutes to get another 450-500 miles of driving range.
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05-31-2018, 10:17 AM
#65
Burning Brakes
Also I frequent I 95 in connecticut and so often see the super charger parking spots occupied by minivans or hyundais- that would tick me off. Another time i was at the delaware rest stop very late at night on i 95 and there was a tesla charging and the driver asleep inside- hmmm thats not particularly safe as there were very few cars around
05-31-2018, 10:27 AM
#66
Team Owner
Also I frequent I 95 in connecticut and so often see the super charger parking spots occupied by minivans or hyundais- that would tick me off. Another time i was at the delaware rest stop very late at night on i 95 and there was a tesla charging and the driver asleep inside- hmmm thats not particularly safe as there were very few cars around
Sleeping at a rest stop on I-95. LOL. I'm old and my body does not like trying to get some sleep in uncomfortable situations. I would prefer to spend 5-10 minutes, while awake, in a busy gas station(ie; safe), to fuel my ICE, and then stop at a motel for a hot shower and 8 hours of comfortable sleep in a king size bed.
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05-31-2018, 10:40 AM
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Back in 2015 Musk said that Tesla would have a 600 mile range by 2017. It's now 2018 and Tesla's latest product(Model 3) only gets 220 miles(base model 3) or 310 mile range for an additional $9,000.
Musk is big on making promises that don't pan out.
PS- those range numbers that Tesla throws out are best scenario. Real world driving(like driving at 85 MPH on I-90 across Montana when the temp is 10 degrees and you want some heat in the car) won't get you anywhere near those numbers.
I get 30 MPG out of my 19 year old ICE on the Interstate; that's all the time, any speed and any ambient, not just when I drive at 45 MPH in 70 degree temps with no heat or A/C turned on. A new ICE can get closer to 35-38 MPG on the Interstate, meaning one can still drive further than 150 miles without range anxiety, plus I don't have to plan my life around where a Tesla Supercharger is located. Can't find a Tesla Supercharger when you need one? Then plug your Tesla into a standard 110VAC receptacle and it will take one hour of charge to get 5 miles of range, or plug into a special 220 VAC receptacle(still difficult to find when you need a charge) and get 25 miles of range for each hour of charge.
Me, I'll take stopping at one of the over 100,000 gas stations in the USA and "waste" 5-10 minutes to get another 450-500 miles of driving range.
Musk is big on making promises that don't pan out.
PS- those range numbers that Tesla throws out are best scenario. Real world driving(like driving at 85 MPH on I-90 across Montana when the temp is 10 degrees and you want some heat in the car) won't get you anywhere near those numbers.
I get 30 MPG out of my 19 year old ICE on the Interstate; that's all the time, any speed and any ambient, not just when I drive at 45 MPH in 70 degree temps with no heat or A/C turned on. A new ICE can get closer to 35-38 MPG on the Interstate, meaning one can still drive further than 150 miles without range anxiety, plus I don't have to plan my life around where a Tesla Supercharger is located. Can't find a Tesla Supercharger when you need one? Then plug your Tesla into a standard 110VAC receptacle and it will take one hour of charge to get 5 miles of range, or plug into a special 220 VAC receptacle(still difficult to find when you need a charge) and get 25 miles of range for each hour of charge.
Me, I'll take stopping at one of the over 100,000 gas stations in the USA and "waste" 5-10 minutes to get another 450-500 miles of driving range.
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05-31-2018, 11:09 AM
#69
I'm talking performance, which is what this thread is about. A big Tesla can't handle its way of a paper bag. The Model 3 is better but it's no sports car.
I have no gripe with a Tesla, but comparing it to a Corvette is silly. Different car completely. I love them, I think they're well designed, very innovative products. I'm rooting for them, I hope they don't go under.
I have no gripe with a Tesla, but comparing it to a Corvette is silly. Different car completely. I love them, I think they're well designed, very innovative products. I'm rooting for them, I hope they don't go under.
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05-31-2018, 11:55 AM
#72
Le Mans Master
(Originally Posted by Kent1999
"there are seemingly a lot of Tesla True Believers who insist that the Tesla is a 'sports car' ")
SunSalem: Who the hell says that????
If you're talking about non-car nuts, then maybe so.
But their expertise on the subject of "sports car" is not so much.
"there are seemingly a lot of Tesla True Believers who insist that the Tesla is a 'sports car' ")
SunSalem: Who the hell says that????
If you're talking about non-car nuts, then maybe so.
But their expertise on the subject of "sports car" is not so much.
(Originally Posted by Kent1999: "Another component of the pushback is probably the condescension and elitism that is attached to much of the whole electric car movement, especially apparent in many (though certainly not all) Tesla and Prius owners. To these folks, if you are not a rabid fan of electric cars, then you are some sort of backwards rube who just doesn't know any better, or an evil entity who hates the earth and wants to kick kittens and poison the climate. There is no room in their minds for rational people to disagree.")
SunSalem: Stereotyping is an ugly thing.
Besides...who the fnck really cares what others think anyway?
Are we men or are we mice?
Also check post #70 in this very thread for evidence:
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05-31-2018, 01:43 PM
#73
I live 45 miles from Times Square surfer boy. I have several friends who own Teslas and I've driven the cars. Like I said, I like them, but comparing a Tesla to a Corvette is like doing a cigarette boat vs. cabin cruiser shoot-out.
05-31-2018, 02:00 PM
#74
Race Director
A simple challenge to TSLA owners here will highlight the problem with all TSLA cars.
I am willing to race from Red ball garage in New York city NY, to the Portofino Inn in Redondo beach CA for titles. I am willing to give you a 6 hour head start. Any takers ?
I am willing to race from Red ball garage in New York city NY, to the Portofino Inn in Redondo beach CA for titles. I am willing to give you a 6 hour head start. Any takers ?
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05-31-2018, 02:46 PM
#75
Burning Brakes
Hmmm
I recall in the aftermath of Superstorm sandy we had no power for almost 3 weeks in my entire neighborhood and most all of Long Island- It would take a week for a gas generator to top off a tesla. Gas was short but i was able to get it- when the electric car is done it done. I was able to siphon gas from my old mb (almost like a 16 gallon cannister) and had a few 5 gal cannisters that allowed me fuel to run up to Ct to top off and refill the canisters. NO amount of AAA batteries will save you there.
I recall in the aftermath of Superstorm sandy we had no power for almost 3 weeks in my entire neighborhood and most all of Long Island- It would take a week for a gas generator to top off a tesla. Gas was short but i was able to get it- when the electric car is done it done. I was able to siphon gas from my old mb (almost like a 16 gallon cannister) and had a few 5 gal cannisters that allowed me fuel to run up to Ct to top off and refill the canisters. NO amount of AAA batteries will save you there.
05-31-2018, 02:47 PM
#76
BTW, there's no need to refer to a company by its ticker. Tesla is a company. TSLA is a stock...one which paid for my ZR1 in 4 days, I might add.
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05-31-2018, 02:53 PM
#77
Race Director
LOL. Problem with all "TSLA" cars? People who actually can afford these cars have no need to travel 300+ miles by car in one day. That's what airplanes are for. I can't recall the last time I had to make such a trip, but if the situation does arise...I'll take my Range Rover or Mercedes instead of the Tesla.
BTW, there's no need to refer to a company by its ticker. Tesla is a company. TSLA is a stock...one which paid for my ZR1 in 4 days, I might add.
BTW, there's no need to refer to a company by its ticker. Tesla is a company. TSLA is a stock...one which paid for my ZR1 in 4 days, I might add.
Looks like you were in at 325 and out at 342 ? For a net of 168k ?
That's a lot of risk for 17 points but its a dam good trade anyway. Nice.
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05-31-2018, 02:55 PM
#78
Race Director
LOL. Problem with all "TSLA" cars? People who actually can afford these cars have no need to travel 300+ miles by car in one day. That's what airplanes are for. I can't recall the last time I had to make such a trip, but if the situation does arise...I'll take my Range Rover or Mercedes instead of the Tesla.
BTW, there's no need to refer to a company by its ticker. Tesla is a company. TSLA is a stock...one which paid for my ZR1 in 4 days, I might add.
BTW, there's no need to refer to a company by its ticker. Tesla is a company. TSLA is a stock...one which paid for my ZR1 in 4 days, I might add.
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05-31-2018, 03:14 PM
#79
FWIW, I participated in an autocross event in 2017 where a Model S put in the 2nd best times all day long (about 15 runs) out of a group of 70. Only a track prepped Lotus Elise was faster.
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05-31-2018, 03:19 PM
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