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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ImpliedConsent
Lemme work on a video, but from this photo you can see that the belt has a good crease on it. I don't think it has anything to do with your clip.
If I'm not careful, it will twist. Worse yet, if I don't slowly release it into the track, it goes slack, the buckle sits right between the door and frame... slam the door ... uhgg...

Thanks for the photo. Yeah, its because your seat back is down and to the rear with regard to the opening in the bulkhead.
The bulkhead opening should have been this way:


Let me think about this...
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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NashvilleGrandSport

After posting, I came up with this solution for the belt twisting. I used two strips of thin body side molding I had to fill in some of the space to prevent that. Worked today on 4 separate trips.
Can you elaborate on this a bit? What was the problem and how did this fix it?
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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ImpliedConsent
Lemme work on a video, but from this photo you can see that the belt has a good crease on it. I don't think it has anything to do with your clip.
If I'm not careful, it will twist. Worse yet, if I don't slowly release it into the track, it goes slack, the buckle sits right between the door and frame... slam the door ... uhgg...

BTW, that happened to me in my '06 Porsche Cayman S. There were no seat belt guides and my seat belt slid around to the side between the seat and door and when I closed the door the handle poked a hole in the airbag cover on the side of the seat. $$$$ arrrggg!
I'm an ex test engineer so it seems like if something can happen, it does!
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Old Sep 22, 2018 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandyeggo Designs
Can you elaborate on this a bit? What was the problem and how did this fix it?
Thanks,
Dave
It narrowed the gap and will not allow the belt to twist and "turn over" in the guide.
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Old Sep 22, 2018 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandyeggo Designs
Hi. Could you pm me a photo or two of what's happening? Even better would be a video. I am looking at redesigning the clip in the future and I want to solve as many problems as I can..
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I just ordered your clips and NOW you mention they need a redesign!
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Old Sep 23, 2018 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by taz2016
I just ordered your clips and NOW you mention they need a redesign!
No, they don't NEED a redesign. They work fine to bridge the guide gap.
I am always looking at ways to improve my products. I may come up with a better solution for the seat belt guide or I may not. Nothing will be replacing the existing product in the immediate future.
But, rest assured if you're not satisfied with them you can return them for a full refund.
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It's not the clip that needs a redesign, but the GM seat-mounted belt guide certainly does. The design and mounting location are at an odd angle in relation to the belt housing location.

Closing the gap with the clip, shrink-tubing, or black tape helps, but it can't fully-compensate for the skewed angle at which the belt meets the holder. It does 100% of what it's designed for, which is simply to keep the belt from leaving or hanging up on belt holder gap.

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Originally Posted by Foosh
It's not the clip that needs a redesign, but the GM seat-mounted belt guide certainly does. The design and mounting location are at an odd angle in relation to the belt housing location.

Closing the gap with the clip, shrink-tubing, or black tape helps, but it can't fully-compensate for the skewed angle at which the belt meets the holder. It does 100% of what it's designed for, which is simply to keep the belt from leaving or hanging up on belt holder gap.
I wish I could have said it that well.
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Old Sep 23, 2018 | 06:45 PM
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Personally, I would never give my insurance company an opening to deny an injury claim.
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Old Sep 23, 2018 | 06:56 PM
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You lost me.
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Me, too.
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Old Sep 23, 2018 | 07:33 PM
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Altering the designed function of the sear belt opens the door (or at least I’d be concerned that it would) for insurance company to deny injury claim.
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Old Sep 23, 2018 | 07:37 PM
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This design can't possibly affect the door in any way, except that it keeps the belt from whacking the B pillar trim.
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Old Sep 23, 2018 | 08:04 PM
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I think he is using the word "door" figuratively.
In my mind, I substitute "possibility" for "door".
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Old Sep 23, 2018 | 08:21 PM
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Aha!

Again, it goes back to my original comment on how this affects safety in either way. It certainly makes it more convenient.

I use and love the clips, and wish I had installed them earlier.
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Originally Posted by Gearhead Jim
I think he is using the word "door" figuratively.
In my mind, I substitute "possibility" for "door".
Yes, thank you. Poor choice of words on my part.
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The Sandyeggo clip does not, and cannot alter, the function of the seat belt in any way. It simply keeps the belt from leaving via the gap in the OEM seat belt holder.

I can't imagine any version of reality where an insurance company could possibly make such a claim.
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Originally Posted by KCV
I don’t use the seatbelt guide. I found having the seatbelt in the guide made the belt uncomfortable on my shoulder so I removed the seatbelt from the guide and now it feels normal.
FWIW, I was a bit frustrated for about a week when I got my 2014 C7 in October 2013 and the belt would come out of the clip. Then a poster put the Owner's Manual statement about it being for short folks! Haven't used it since! At least in a coupe it's not needed. IMO.

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Originally Posted by Foosh
The Sandyeggo clip does not, and cannot alter, the function of the seat belt in any way. It simply keeps the belt from leaving via the gap in the OEM seat belt holder.

I can't imagine any version of reality where an insurance company could possibly make such a claim.
Fair enough. I have less faith in insurances companies.
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Originally Posted by Woodson
Fair enough. I have less faith in insurances companies.
I wonder what an insurance company would do about a seat belt that got hung up in the OEM guide opening? Or slipped out of the guide and was in the wrong position on the person? During an accident a lot of weird things can happen...
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