GM’s business model
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Le Mans Master
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GM’s business model
I was reading about gm today. The new business model is selling the dAta these new gm cars from 2016 and on capture. Evidently the c7’s and now other models have a whole bunch of data collection points on where You drive how You drive to sell to insurance companies. And data on roads The car is being driven on , businesses U drive by and they can use that data to market to me and sell that data to businesses in the vicinity you drive by so those business can pander to you.
According to gm the data your car collects about you over a 3 year period can be sold for more then the price of the car.
This seems to be be an invasion of privacy and I don’t recall signing any contracts when I bought my c7 allowing them to collect and resell this data about me.
I wonder if there is any legal recourse to this owners can take against gm for invasion of privacy?
According to gm the data your car collects about you over a 3 year period can be sold for more then the price of the car.
This seems to be be an invasion of privacy and I don’t recall signing any contracts when I bought my c7 allowing them to collect and resell this data about me.
I wonder if there is any legal recourse to this owners can take against gm for invasion of privacy?
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I was reading about gm today. The new business model is selling the dAta these new gm cars from 2016 and on capture. Evidently the c7’s and now other models have a whole bunch of data collection points on where You drive how You drive to sell to insurance companies. And data on roads The car is being driven on , businesses U drive by and they can use that data to market to me and sell that data to businesses in the vicinity you drive by so those business can pander to you.
According to gm the data your car collects about you over a 3 year period can be sold for more then the price of the car.
This seems to be be an invasion of privacy and I don’t recall signing any contracts when I bought my c7 allowing them to collect and resell this data about me.
I wonder if there is any legal recourse to this owners can take against gm for invasion of privacy?
According to gm the data your car collects about you over a 3 year period can be sold for more then the price of the car.
This seems to be be an invasion of privacy and I don’t recall signing any contracts when I bought my c7 allowing them to collect and resell this data about me.
I wonder if there is any legal recourse to this owners can take against gm for invasion of privacy?
But I wouldn't take the privacy route. Instead, I would claim the value of the data belongs to who ever generates the data points, not GM.
I don't know if that would get anywhere.
Ideally, every single new car owner would disable the mechanism that transmits the data, chopping the manufacturer off at the knees, then demand the majority of the proceeds generated from their driving behaviors.
Melting Slicks
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https://www.gm.com/privacy-statement.html
Key points about our information practicesCollection
We may collect information about you and your vehicle, such as name, address, email address, phone number, vehicle identification number (VIN) and vehicle performance data through your use of our products or services, and through GM affiliates, dealers, GM licensees for consumer merchandise, GM partners and others who provide information to us. See below to learn more.
Use
We may use your information to provide products and services, to maintain customer relationships, for safety and product research purposes, to provide customer and vehicle support and service, and for marketing. See below to learn more.
Sharing
We may share your information as required by law, within GM, with our GM controlled subsidiaries and affiliates, with GM dealers, with GM licensees, with our service providers, and with our business partners. See below to learn more.
Key points about our information practicesCollection
We may collect information about you and your vehicle, such as name, address, email address, phone number, vehicle identification number (VIN) and vehicle performance data through your use of our products or services, and through GM affiliates, dealers, GM licensees for consumer merchandise, GM partners and others who provide information to us. See below to learn more.
Use
We may use your information to provide products and services, to maintain customer relationships, for safety and product research purposes, to provide customer and vehicle support and service, and for marketing. See below to learn more.
Sharing
We may share your information as required by law, within GM, with our GM controlled subsidiaries and affiliates, with GM dealers, with GM licensees, with our service providers, and with our business partners. See below to learn more.
Le Mans Master
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GM should give us the cars for free, and OnStar should be free if they are using the Google, Face Book, and Amazon models.But then again, if it were me I would just like to pocket the $ of that revenue stream while I could...
Europe has passed laws that we own the data not the FANG.
Don't like it, neuter OnStar, but that will not help as Google is listening to every word you say, Amazon is listening to everything on your connect speakers, your cell phone carrier is watching your cell phone anyway.
Europe has passed laws that we own the data not the FANG.
Don't like it, neuter OnStar, but that will not help as Google is listening to every word you say, Amazon is listening to everything on your connect speakers, your cell phone carrier is watching your cell phone anyway.
Last edited by Flame Red; Nov 14, 2018 at 10:14 AM.
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Le Mans Master
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From: St. Louis
https://www.gm.com/privacy-statement.html
Key points about our information practicesCollection
We may collect information about you and your vehicle, such as name, address, email address, phone number, vehicle identification number (VIN) and vehicle performance data through your use of our products or services, and through GM affiliates, dealers, GM licensees for consumer merchandise, GM partners and others who provide information to us. See below to learn more.
Use
We may use your information to provide products and services, to maintain customer relationships, for safety and product research purposes, to provide customer and vehicle support and service, and for marketing. See below to learn more.
Sharing
We may share your information as required by law, within GM, with our GM controlled subsidiaries and affiliates, with GM dealers, with GM licensees, with our service providers, and with our business partners. See below to learn more.
Key points about our information practicesCollection
We may collect information about you and your vehicle, such as name, address, email address, phone number, vehicle identification number (VIN) and vehicle performance data through your use of our products or services, and through GM affiliates, dealers, GM licensees for consumer merchandise, GM partners and others who provide information to us. See below to learn more.
Use
We may use your information to provide products and services, to maintain customer relationships, for safety and product research purposes, to provide customer and vehicle support and service, and for marketing. See below to learn more.
Sharing
We may share your information as required by law, within GM, with our GM controlled subsidiaries and affiliates, with GM dealers, with GM licensees, with our service providers, and with our business partners. See below to learn more.
Is all the data still stored and accessible if on-star is not renewed after the 1 year trial subscription?
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i’ll look. But yes if you think about it’s perfectly logical. The data as collected on a vehicle as sold to a single vendor or service provider isn’t worth much. But if you multiple that very small amount times 10’s or hundreds of thousands or even millions of vendors or businesses it could be sold to it is worth a small fortune. That’s why gm is adding all that WiFi crap to the car along with the onstar service.
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Drifting
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we are all tracked and recorded many many times a day and if you own apple, android, Alexa or Google home you are being recorded and tracked 24 hours a day... even if you turn every thing off your friends and family are tracking and recording you with there phones and devices...
Welcome to the new world...
Welcome to the new world...
Le Mans Master
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They don't sell your data. It's not "Jeff V's 2014 Z51 with VIN 12345 and odometer 21xxx was at QuikTrip for 10 minutes at 5:25pm on June 6 2018. His fuel level was 1/4 when he got there and 4/4 when he left."
They sell a big faceless cloud of everyone's data. It's a bunch of averages and trends. It's more like "We show an average of 27 of our connected vehicles drive past this location over a 24 hour period"
If GM scrubs the data so it isn't personally identifiable, I don't see how you can make a case for breach of privacy.
They sell a big faceless cloud of everyone's data. It's a bunch of averages and trends. It's more like "We show an average of 27 of our connected vehicles drive past this location over a 24 hour period"
If GM scrubs the data so it isn't personally identifiable, I don't see how you can make a case for breach of privacy.
Safety Car
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But you are correct that data privacy laws in the US are a joke. There is no case to be made on breach of privacy. In order to use anything that is collecting your data a simple release is signed each and every time - check the "OK" and "I agree" boxes in order to proceed. Your rights are now completely gone. Hopefully something will change but with the way our lawmakers work I will be dead and gone by the time that law reaches the light of day.....
Le Mans Master
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They don't sell your data. It's not "Jeff V's 2014 Z51 with VIN 12345 and odometer 21xxx was at QuikTrip for 10 minutes at 5:25pm on June 6 2018. His fuel level was 1/4 when he got there and 4/4 when he left."
They sell a big faceless cloud of everyone's data. It's a bunch of averages and trends. It's more like "We show an average of 27 of our connected vehicles drive past this location over a 24 hour period"
If GM scrubs the data so it isn't personally identifiable, I don't see how you can make a case for breach of privacy.
They sell a big faceless cloud of everyone's data. It's a bunch of averages and trends. It's more like "We show an average of 27 of our connected vehicles drive past this location over a 24 hour period"
If GM scrubs the data so it isn't personally identifiable, I don't see how you can make a case for breach of privacy.
Le Mans Master
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GM should give us the cars for free, and OnStar should be free if they are using the Google, Face Book, and Amazon models.But then again, if it were me I would just like to pocket the $ of that revenue stream while I could...
Europe has passed laws that we own the data not the FANG.
Don't like it, neuter OnStar, but that will not help as Google is listening to every word you say, Amazon is listening to everything on your connect speakers, your cell phone carrier is watching your cell phone anyway.
Europe has passed laws that we own the data not the FANG.
Don't like it, neuter OnStar, but that will not help as Google is listening to every word you say, Amazon is listening to everything on your connect speakers, your cell phone carrier is watching your cell phone anyway.
PS.When you got to the site click on “other google activity” on the left side of the page and then under Location History select “view timeline”.
Last edited by joemessman; Nov 14, 2018 at 12:11 PM.
Safety Car
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I am always amazed at how many people do not understand Google, YouTube and Facebook's business model. You can opt out but that requires using other tools, for example https://duckduckgo.com/ for web searching.
Burning Brakes
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Very true.
I am always amazed at how many people do not understand Google, YouTube and Facebook's business model. You can opt out but that requires using other tools, for example https://duckduckgo.com/ for web searching.
I am always amazed at how many people do not understand Google, YouTube and Facebook's business model. You can opt out but that requires using other tools, for example https://duckduckgo.com/ for web searching.